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tsunade666 · 2010-12-08, 06:26

huge difference. The kamfer and IS had a very different story and the male or MC isn't useless specially that the kamfer MC is useless totally useless in male form or in female form for fanservice I actually haven't seen natsuru do a decent fight compare to ichika.

kuroishinigami · 2010-12-08, 09:32

From someone who have read both light novel, I can assure you they're very different. They have the same premise in that both main male protagonist is special, but how they handle the story development is very different for me.

MisaoFan · 2010-12-08, 11:55

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

huge difference. The kamfer and IS had a very different story and the male or MC isn't useless specially that the kamfer MC is useless totally useless in male form or in female form for fanservice I actually haven't seen natsuru do a decent fight compare to ichika.

Both titles are aired on TBS, featuring opening made by Minami Kuribayashi.

asaqe · 2010-12-08, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

As I was reading the Chinese scan of the novel, I thought: "Wait a min, isn't this just Kampfer without the trap element?" The only male kampfer or the only male who can use the macha, what's the difference?

You can say that for a majority of MF Bunko J's novels, it is similar to what Kuroshinigami said.

kuroishinigami · 2010-12-08, 20:50

Well, I can't deny that a lot of MF Bunko J's novel is a little childish in content and a lot of them has a harem love comedy genre, but that doesn't mean just because they have the same genre and same protagonist back story all the story gonna feel the same in content.

For example, you can't really say that Gundam Seed and the original Gundam has no difference just because both their main character is supposed to have the same back story.

SoFarGone · 2010-12-09, 07:20

Kampfer sucks man. The male protagonist is awful and from the summaries of the male protagonist in IS he is strong and useful.

asaqe · 2010-12-09, 13:21

There is still a similar premise, lets only hope Zephyr's claims are true. Remember it is still a MF Bunko J adaptation so just don't go too high with expectations.

tsunade666 · 2010-12-09, 14:32

but it's a mech that's enough for me to expect. I also like harem leads that had backbone and not some lousy guy. But from the bit of spoiler. Ichika is the man!

zephyr325 · 2010-12-10, 10:39

I'd say there are 2 types of hero character in harem story.

Type 1 character lacks power to fight the threats by himself and let other powerful heroines to fight against threats.
Since the main fighting force for Type 1 characters are heroines, he tends to gain additional, powerful female characters as the story progresses.

Type 2 character fights against threats by himself, holding his own against enemies.
In this setting, heroines often function as damsel in distress, or a supporting character in battle whenever he is at disadvantage due to certain handicaps

Since most story settings begins with the main charaters getting (unwittingly) involved into unfamiliar situation, most of Type 2 character could be initially viewed as Type 1. (I'll categorize them as Type 2A)
Therefore, the main difference between Type 1 and 2 charater would be whether the character evolves into Type 2 or not.
To avoid confusion, I limited Type 2 designation only to those who shows a permanent change. (bits and glimpse from time to time don't count)
A few Type 2 characters appear as Type 2 from the very beginning of the story.
In this case, their past (Type 1 part) might appear as a recollection of past memory. (I'll categorize them as Type 2B)
Also, a character who evolve into Type 2 too late in the story would have to be viewed as Type 1.

Example of Type 1 characters
- Rito Yuuki from To Love-Ru
- Natsuru Seno(male) from Kampfer.
- Sahashi Minato from Sekirei
- Tsukune Aono from Rosario + Vampire

Example of Type 2 characters
- Toma Kamijo from To aru Majutsu no Index (Type 2B)
- Yoichi from Asu no Yoichi (Type 2B)
- Tenchi Masaki from Tenchi Muyo! (Type 2A)
- Saito Hiraga from The Familiar of Zero (Type 2A)
- Hibiki Tokai from Vandread (Type 2B)

Which type does Ichika fall into...?

Spoiler for The answer is...:

asaqe · 2010-12-10, 15:57

Very interesting, So Type 2A is original teens who received new abilities while 2B are those who are naturals at fighting

LoweGear · 2010-12-10, 23:31

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Originally Posted by asaqe

Very interesting, So Type 2A is original teens who received new abilities while 2B are those who are naturals at fighting

I think zephyr's classifications describe the characters as they are portrayed in the story, hence "2B" are those who are currently portrayed as being able to fight, but had a past where they were not so.

asaqe · 2010-12-11, 01:40

Looks MF Bunko J has begin reviewing what's happening next Volume...care to translate Zepyh? I did a bit myself

Spoiler for Volume 6 Spoilers:

zephyr325 · 2010-12-11, 04:39

Ok, just needs a little bit of correction.

Spoiler for ..:

And here is some more detail regarding Cecilia and BT test vehicle #2.

Spoiler for Warining! contains story elements from Vol.5:

hayate-sama · 2010-12-11, 05:16

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Originally Posted by zephyr325

Ok, just needs a little bit of correction.

Spoiler for ..:

And here is some more detail regarding Cecilia and BT test vehicle #2.

Spoiler for Warining! contains story elements from Vol.5:

Spoiler for BEnding:

tsunade666 · 2010-12-11, 05:20

thanks for the heads up on vol 5 zephyr and I also like the classification of main characters from type 1 an type 2.

Ravenblitz · 2010-12-11, 06:20

Spoiler for spoiler images:

LoweGear · 2010-12-11, 09:20

asaqe · 2010-12-11, 13:05

Lots of delicous combat scans

RRW · 2010-12-11, 13:07

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Originally Posted by LoweGear

Where did you get the scan or you scan it by yourself?

asaqe · 2010-12-11, 14:34

Although looking closer, there is a bit of quality issues with the art.

2010-12-08, 06:26	Link #301
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	huge difference. The kamfer and IS had a very different story and the male or MC isn't useless specially that the kamfer MC is useless totally useless in male form or in female form for fanservice I actually haven't seen natsuru do a decent fight compare to ichika. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2010-12-09, 13:21	Link #307
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	There is still a similar premise, lets only hope Zephyr's claims are true. Remember it is still a MF Bunko J adaptation so just don't go too high with expectations. __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2010-12-09, 14:32	Link #308
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	but it's a mech that's enough for me to expect. I also like harem leads that had backbone and not some lousy guy. But from the bit of spoiler. Ichika is the man! __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2010-12-10, 10:39	Link #309
zephyr325 Member Join Date: Oct 2010	I'd say there are 2 types of hero character in harem story. Type 1 character lacks power to fight the threats by himself and let other powerful heroines to fight against threats. Since the main fighting force for Type 1 characters are heroines, he tends to gain additional, powerful female characters as the story progresses. Type 2 character fights against threats by himself, holding his own against enemies. In this setting, heroines often function as damsel in distress, or a supporting character in battle whenever he is at disadvantage due to certain handicaps Since most story settings begins with the main charaters getting (unwittingly) involved into unfamiliar situation, most of Type 2 character could be initially viewed as Type 1. (I'll categorize them as Type 2A) Therefore, the main difference between Type 1 and 2 charater would be whether the character evolves into Type 2 or not. To avoid confusion, I limited Type 2 designation only to those who shows a permanent change. (bits and glimpse from time to time don't count) A few Type 2 characters appear as Type 2 from the very beginning of the story. In this case, their past (Type 1 part) might appear as a recollection of past memory. (I'll categorize them as Type 2B) Also, a character who evolve into Type 2 too late in the story would have to be viewed as Type 1. Example of Type 1 characters - Rito Yuuki from To Love-Ru - Natsuru Seno(male) from Kampfer. - Sahashi Minato from Sekirei - Tsukune Aono from Rosario + Vampire Example of Type 2 characters - Toma Kamijo from To aru Majutsu no Index (Type 2B) - Yoichi from Asu no Yoichi (Type 2B) - Tenchi Masaki from Tenchi Muyo! (Type 2A) - Saito Hiraga from The Familiar of Zero (Type 2A) - Hibiki Tokai from Vandread (Type 2B) Which type does Ichika fall into...? Spoiler for The answer is...: From what I've red so far, Ichika would fall into Type 2A, with some similarity to 2B. Technically speaking, he does not possess enough strength(in terms of IS battle) to fight the threat all by himself yet, but he is not afraid to face them directly. (most of the time he ends up winning with help of his innate ability or support from heroines) Also, his strong mental strength and attitude is very similar to Type 2B characters.

2010-12-10, 15:57	Link #310
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Very interesting, So Type 2A is original teens who received new abilities while 2B are those who are naturals at fighting __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

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kuroishinigami Ava courtesy of patchy Join Date: Jan 2009	From someone who have read both light novel, I can assure you they're very different. They have the same premise in that both main male protagonist is special, but how they handle the story development is very different for me.

2010-12-08, 20:50	Link #305
kuroishinigami Ava courtesy of patchy Join Date: Jan 2009	Well, I can't deny that a lot of MF Bunko J's novel is a little childish in content and a lot of them has a harem love comedy genre, but that doesn't mean just because they have the same genre and same protagonist back story all the story gonna feel the same in content. For example, you can't really say that Gundam Seed and the original Gundam has no difference just because both their main character is supposed to have the same back story.

2010-12-09, 07:20	Link #306
SoFarGone H.A.M. Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: somewhere on this planet	Kampfer sucks man. The male protagonist is awful and from the summaries of the male protagonist in IS he is strong and useful.

2010-12-11, 01:40	Link #312
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Looks MF Bunko J has begin reviewing what's happening next Volume...care to translate Zepyh? I did a bit myself Spoiler for Volume 6 Spoilers: 一夏の誕生日に心を躍らせるヒロイン一同。そんな中、セシリアだけは学園祭に表れた謎の敵に表情を暗くしていた。「ＢＴ二号機、サイレント・ゼフィルス……次はやらせませんわ」そして、急遽一年生も参加することになったＩＳ高速機動バトルレース『キャノンボール・ファスト』しかし、そこにも『亡国機業<ファントム・タスク>』の魔の手が伸びる……。ハイスピード学園バトルラブコメ、ノンストップの第六巻！セシリアがメインか？ Apparent the next volume has Ichika hitting his 16th birthday. Cecilia's still angsting over how she can't measure up. a new upgrade for the Blue Tears, called Silent Zephyrus is in store for Cecilia possibly. But can she master the new IS system? Something about a Infinite Stratos battle Race called "Cannonball Fast", which the Fallen Nation Corp is planning to ruin. This may be a Cecilia centric volume some say __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2010-12-11, 04:39	Link #313
zephyr325 Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Ok, just needs a little bit of correction. Spoiler for ..: With all heroines thinking about Ichika's upcoming birthday, Cecilia is worried about the mysterious intruder she encountered recently - the BT test vehicle #2 which apparantly fell into the hands of FNC. "I won't let you get away next time, BT Test vehicle #2, 'Silent Zephyrus,' " Freshmen were notified by the Academy to participate in 'Cannonball Fast,' the high-speed IS battle race, but FNC is already planning to do something about it... And here is the 6th volume for non-stop, high-speed battle love comedy school life! ※Looks like the author decided to use 'Phantom Task' as english term for FNC And here is some more detail regarding Cecilia and BT test vehicle #2. Spoiler for Warining! contains story elements from Vol.5: BT Test vehicle #2, code-named 'Silent Zephyrus,' was apparently stolen by FNC, and was used to cover the escape and extraction of another FNC agent (This person was code-named 'Autumn') who tried to steal the Byakku Shiki core from Ichika by using a device called 'remover'. The attempt almost succeeded, but was ultimately foiled by intervention from Tatenashi. The fleeing 'Autumn' was about to be apprehended by Laura and Cecilia (who found out about the involvement of FNC and went to intercept) but they were overwhelmed by BT test vehicle #2 which came to extract 'Autumn', and couldn't stop her from escaping. Since Ichika's Byakku Shiki gained new equipment that could negate all kinds of energy-based attack, Cecilia, with her BT test vehicle #1 armed almost entirely with energy-based weapon, was getting the lowest ranking among all main heroines, not to mention the fact that she was the only one who lost to Ichika in recent mock battle. She gets frustrated by this result and request addition of shell-type weaponry to her IS, but her request is denied since her IS is a test vehicle with sole purpose of experimenting with BT system. (except for 2 bits armed with missile warheads and Interceptor, a short dagger for Close quarter defense, Blue Tears lacks the mean to inflict damage to Byakku Shiki with energy-nagating shield) So when BT test vehicle #2 invervened and did something she considered as the ultimate goal for BT project - bending the trajectory of beams fired from its weapon - she couldn't believe her eyes, since even she, the most talented pilot candidate for BT project with highest test result for aptitude, was not capable of doing it herself.

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	thanks for the heads up on vol 5 zephyr and I also like the classification of main characters from type 1 an type 2. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

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2010-12-11, 13:05	Link #318
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Lots of delicous combat scans __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2010-12-11, 14:34	Link #320
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	Although looking closer, there is a bit of quality issues with the art. __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...