2010-12-18, 22:03 | Link #10763 |
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If you have to ask that question, then you are in no position to judge the effects of DADT and whether it should end or not. Outsiders meddling into something they are not involved in. Something America is always blamed for(justifiably in most cases I admit), yet you and others are doing the same thing to us...
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2010-12-18, 22:03 | Link #10764 |
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Oh, and the responses by conservatives regarding this issue is hilarious:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...ts?q=1&;page=1 You've got to read the page. Your mind will explode!
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2010-12-18, 22:06 | Link #10766 | |
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This is relevant and not continuing a red herring, how?
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2010-12-18, 22:37 | Link #10768 |
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Not really, all it does is forbidding the military from discharging people for being openly homosexual. The opposition is based on "soldiers might get distracted" or something like that, when not taking religious things into account.
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2010-12-18, 22:50 | Link #10770 |
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Yet the people who are in the middle of it don't have much of an issue with gays serving. Or are you going to claim the study is wrong because you don't agree with its results again? If so, please point out the flaw in the methodology that makes it misleading.
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2010-12-18, 22:52 | Link #10771 |
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Actually they surveyed "the Military" -- most respondents (>60-70%) couldn't care less as long as everyone can do their job. Only the Marines showed some resistance and *they* have more problems with extreme evangelical issues (all the forces are having some isolated problems with extremist evangelicalism as a separate issue).
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2010-12-18, 22:57 | Link #10772 | |
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The majority of people in the Military don't serve under those conditions, so their opinions will be different than those who are on a ship, or in combat. If Gays want to serve without getting harrassed or worse, then keep quiet about it and do your job. Keep it under wraps. Yes Gays have been serving for millenia, but just because things are fine and dandy for them to flaunt their sexual preferences in Europe, doesn't mean it will fly here in the U.S. America is not Europe, never has been Europe, and never will be Europe. |
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2010-12-18, 22:59 | Link #10773 | |
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Long story short, yes we can say that the extreme hazing in the military of Russia is wrong (though why this article popped up during a discussion of the repeal of DADT is still unclear). That being said, I'm just coming back from a small (24 hour) party with some friends celebrating the repeal of DADT (realistically, it was a holiday party before we all drift apart for the rest of the year, but we found some extra celebration in the repeal of DADT). Good Times. |
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2010-12-18, 23:19 | Link #10775 | ||
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So, what you're saying isn't quite accurate, at least in regards to this specific issue. Quote:
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2010-12-18, 23:19 | Link #10776 | |
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Also, serve openly is not the same thing as "flaunt their sexual preferences." Hell, most gays will still probably keep it to themselves. It just lifts a burden of them getting kicked out if they're discovered. They're not going to walk around limp wristed and wearing feather boas with their uniforms. The military isn't likely to attract that type of person, regardless of sexual orientation, and most gay people don't act like that anyway. They're mostly normal people. Finally, America has the same cultural roots as Europe. The nation is a bit more conservative than Europe, but we don't have a radically different culture. Claims that what works elsewhere won't work here are just American exceptionalism at the expense of rationality.
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2010-12-18, 23:26 | Link #10777 | |
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Somebody said no country was having problems with openly gay officers. Someone pointed out male prostitution rings of young Russian military recruits seemingly orchestrated in part by gay commanding officers. Someone else decided to point out that the Russian militaries problem of hazing killing so many recruits as being a bigger problem. |
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2010-12-18, 23:45 | Link #10779 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
Anyway, aside from the actual number, given that Russia already is strained filling up the numbers in their army while their male population is going down, I would have to say Russia does not have that much of a future. |
2010-12-19, 00:01 | Link #10780 | |
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Though wikipedia makes the article seem like it's inflating the numbers by an order of magnitude.
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