2010-12-20, 04:33 | Link #20041 |
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Actually, violence begetting violence seemed to have been one of the themes people were talking about early on in Umineko.
Especially in those scenes where Rosa slaps Maria around. We were discussing how both Higurashi and Umineko brought up the idea of, "Why do good people do the bad things they do?" etc... |
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2010-12-20, 05:14 | Link #20047 | |
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2010-12-20, 05:24 | Link #20048 | |
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I didn't claim it wasn't true, I simply demanded clarification for what sounded like something deeply absurd. You do need to lie down. |
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2010-12-20, 05:33 | Link #20049 |
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Of course not all rapists and murderers were diddled by the local vicar when they were children, and not all children diddled by local vicars grow up to be rapists and murderers. He wasn't implying that, I don't see how you could think he was, and furthermore don't see how such a claim demands proof.
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2010-12-20, 05:57 | Link #20051 | ||
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2010-12-20, 08:09 | Link #20053 | |
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Thanx for bringing up Rosa, I'll use her an example to show Why Rosa isn't evil and why Bern is evil. They both have a troubled past, and we know that in both cases their past affects their current behavior. However Rosa doesn't feel any real pleasure in tormenting her daughter, in the end she feels terrible whenever she acts like a bad mama, she just can't help it. Bern however doesn't show any sign of guilt, she doesn't show any sign of compassion, she doesn't show any sign of comprehension, she doesn't show any sign of repentance, and more importantly she finds pleasure in what she does, she knows that it's evil and she's perfectly fine with that.
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2010-12-20, 08:51 | Link #20054 | |
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Another important difference is that, in Higurashi, characters who commit crimes are either portrayed as evil (in the main villain's case - sympathetic, yes, but evil) or deranged/terrified (the friends, depending on the arc). In the main villain's case, it's never hinted we should even ask "why she did it" until near the end. In the friend's case, we ask not "why they did it" but rather "what they are hiding" until we figure out Spoiler for Higurashi:
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2010-12-20, 11:17 | Link #20055 |
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Without seeming like a troll, might I remind those who are arguing about connections between Higurashi and Umineko that they are both part of "When they Cry", a series in itself? (inb4 Final Fantasy) If nothing else, they probably exist in the same metaverse. I don't mean that there has to be a connection, though.
That's like saying that the Jack the Ripper murders directly correlate to the Zodiac murders. They both happened in our world, but that does not mean that they have any other connection to each other. Then again, I'm not denying a connection either. I'm one of those hopefuls who want to see Rika and Bern connected explicitly.
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2010-12-20, 13:29 | Link #20056 | |
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2010-12-20, 14:45 | Link #20058 |
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Ange would have had a much better life with Eva as a mother figure.
Bernkastel does all of this just because she’s bored? She enjoys torturing Ange. She enjoys torturing Beatrice just as much. Beatrice, who stole Battler away... Sometimes I wonder...
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2010-12-20, 14:52 | Link #20059 | |
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2010-12-20, 15:47 | Link #20060 |
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Here's something I've been thinking of while I was unloading the dishwasher. It'd have to go over the theory that Higurashi and Umineko are in the same universe, but maybe this will probably help out with other theories and what-not.
Spoiler for Bernkastel = Very lengthy.:
Lol, really stupid theory above. Be very afraid. xD
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