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2011-04-18, 09:30 | Link #22644 | |
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2011-04-18, 21:04 | Link #22646 |
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But its too late in the game for that... Its already the eighth episode and, from what I heard, he still hasn't made a confirmation. Oh well, I guess I should just go with the flow and stop complaining.
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2011-04-18, 21:29 | Link #22647 | |
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Bern: "At the moment Shannon is killed, Kanon also goes missing for all eternity." Lambda: "It would be unrefined to go into detail, but with Shannon dead, that's pretty much how it works out." Granted, they're talking about Bern's logic puzzle, so I guess you can doubt whether it applies to the main board if you really want.
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2011-04-19, 03:28 | Link #22650 | |
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2011-04-19, 20:42 | Link #22651 |
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Also, to throw a bit more onto the flame, I only recently realized that the lyrics to the EP2 ED song, "Shirabe", contains the line "When one is to vanish, then two will vanish"
And I'm just like, "Really? Since way back then?" I'm surprised I missed it since I consider some of the various songs as one of the clearest windows into Beatrice's / Culprit-san's inner workings. |
2011-04-19, 20:51 | Link #22653 | |
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2011-04-20, 06:53 | Link #22654 |
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Another portion of revelations from Ryu: http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/...1298902311/739
Basically, "People who weren't in love can't understand Umineko." "Love is enough motive for a murder." There goes your fake murder mystery. |
2011-04-20, 08:12 | Link #22655 |
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Yeah, I remember being in love. Young, restless, full of energy. Every day was like an eternal spring evening, full of warmth and tenderness.
Then this one time, my girlfriend went to Milan for a year of college, and I never called her or emailed. When she got back, we had a get-together party, and then I ritualistically slaughtered her entire extended family and burned her house down. Ah, you never forget your first.
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2011-04-20, 10:34 | Link #22656 |
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What Ryukishi actually said was: "Umineko is the story of 'how one girl, with love and madness, can reach the point of imagining that scale of an incident." So this hasn't changed anything, really.
On the other hand, the "no murders happened at all" theory was already explicitly denied in EP8. One of the goats tried it, and Will cut it down with Dine's 7th ("there must be a corpse"). I think Dlanor also referred to it as "hackneyed and boring, even if it satisfies Knox and all of Beatrice's closed rooms."
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2011-04-20, 11:07 | Link #22657 | |
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I suppose one could also argue the reverse in theory, that the explosion was not a murder so long as everyone but Eva and Battler were dead before that incident happened. Doing so naturally requires one to allege that there were murders beforehand, obviously. In essence, the ep7 Tea Party is exactly this; so far as the narrative depicts or suggests, everyone but Eva (who survives) and Battler (who disappears) is explicitly killed. To that extent, the explosion would only be a cover-up of the evidence, as Kyrie suggests. But if even one person died in the explosion, it's possible to worm your way out of the idea of pre-explosion murders and still claim that a murder happened, even if it was 13 freak heart attacks and one blown up death.
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2011-04-20, 12:42 | Link #22658 | |
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I still like the troll-theory that everyone was having fun and then a lightning strike hit one of the buried bombs and caused everything to go off.
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2011-04-21, 03:07 | Link #22659 |
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I'm not too familiar how bombs work, but is toying with a detonation switch not asking for an accident? If you rapidly turn on and off something, something is bound to happen. Especially seeing as it's connected to an old antique, I'm assuming that flipping the switch causes it to set something in the bomb which confirms it will explode. What if some sort of electrical discharge, or something stupid happened to screw it up? To add on to this, it was heavily raining and thundering that night, sure it's an underground base but...
This series has shown us that this family is just damn unlucky/lucky to have some of the most coincidental things happen. Everyone could have been actually having a great time, enjoying their family get-together, and then this happened. Also, on the subject of love: ''Love is also an illusion, mutal love is the agreement of two never to wake up from the illusion''. Also, to be funny and to pose a stupid theory without thought. Wouldn't it be funny if the delusion Battler saw of Kinzo was actually his corpse in the distance, being attached to strings like a french doll and made to point forward? Last edited by cronnoponno; 2011-04-21 at 03:36. |
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