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-The HR just like the IB, are not originally from the Aeon of Osiris(and Christianity for that matter). -The HR is the pinnacle of the Aeon of Osiris and surpass it to the point of either writing its own rules or being controlled by another format of rules(Aeon of Horus), while still maintaining basic compatibility since it was originally created in the format of the Aeon of Osiris. Since at the very least there is a level of compatibility where the knowledge of Index can provide it power it may be the latter(obviously this isnīt the case for IB, since Index canīt truly make anything of it with her wisdom). |
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2011-05-18, 16:16 | Link #10466 | ||
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Since we have come to this again, first, let us clarify the Aeons. These do not refer to the gods themselves. According to the real world Aleister Crowley, these are somewhat like eras of spiritual belief or, as he puts it, "magical and religious expression":
Also, we need to stop applying Christian terms to the Imagine Breaker, since it has already been clearly stated that what it is and what it is sealing transcends the outdated concepts of the Aeon of Osiris. Speculation on it should at least be based on Crowley's teachings and Thelema. Better yet if you have access to the Book of the Law. Quote:
On the other hand, Aleister Crowley's plan is to transform the world into his own Artificial Heaven, which will then give him power over it as its god of sorts. Most likely, his ulterior motive here is to get a hold of the workings of the secret chiefs and possibly even control them too. And perhaps even beyond that -- as Science is the endless pursuit of knowledge, then Aleister's goal should be inherently unreachable. And given this goal/philosophy, I wonder what his magic name was? These two plans are similar in that they involve a change in the mechanism of the world as a whole. The methods are also largely the same, as Aleister pointed out. The only differences lie in the format used and the handling of the power of the Right Hand. Quote:
That's not how genes work. Genes don't get weakened or whatnot. A dominant gene simply gets expressed, and recessive genes get repressed when paired with a dominant one. Sometimes, certain genes undergo mutations (these occur randomly) that, if beneficial to the organism's survival, will have a high likelihood of getting passed on to the next generation and further replicated. These are called adaptations, and are the driving force of evolution. The talent you're talking about here are simply certain adaptations that your ancestors have taken. Honing one's talent in this sense has absolutely nothing to do with genetics or evolution. Consider the following: you are born into a relatively tall family with strong legs. These physical traits naturally give you advantages in certain sports. Now, even if you don't engage in such sports, these traits will still be passed onto your offspring, and at the same level, provided that your mate doesn't carry genes that override or conflict with your helpful genes. Thus, if your offspring decides to pursue those certain sports, the talent will still be there and will not be diminished even in the slightest. The Holy Right and IB are not in the human genome. You don't and can't breed these powers. You don't and can't get them through random mutations either. The Holy Right was given to Fiamma and to Fiamma alone. The same is the case with IB. Both are unique powers. Before Fiamma and Touma, there might have been bearers of their respective powers, but they most certainly were not part of their lineage. This is similar to the birth of a Saint or Gemstone: totally random (otherwise, there might have been groups breeding both Saints and Gemstones, resulting in more than 20 and ~50 of them in the world, respectively). Oh, and it looks like Volume 18 was just updated. Chapter 7 is done. Godspeed, js06.
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2011-05-18, 17:31 | Link #10469 |
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Donīt know where to start on this one... Youīre correct and all but one account, genes do work like that. Just like you said, thatīs the principle of evolution: "adaptation", while it does take quite a few generations for a significant change to occur on the gene pool it does not mean that itīs random, in fact thereīs not a single thing in the human reproduction that can be truly called random. Nature has put thousand of mechanism that works like the gears of a clock in order to choose the best of the best and cut off whatīs unneeded (the thing we call random is that when the final stage of comes only the best of the best is left, so you might as well throw a coin, the one chosen wonīt truly change the final result). When i said "weakened" i meant something simple: if it is true that those characteristics are simply "not expressed" and the genes "not lost"; itīs also true that they donīt simply "express" themselves at need, they are "stored" in the huge vault that is called "Human Genome", a meticulous process that takes quite a few hundred of years to do or reverse. I understand all that and just used the process in a figurative sense to explain my point, itīs true that disregarding time may have been too much of a stretch but well... And to the point, what i meant with that is something quite simple: practices and knowledge that have become obsolete or have been simplified, are either lost or replaced. In Toaru, the Queen of the Adriatic Sea canīt be replicated, since the rituals required for itīs creation have been either erased or sealed little by little, just like that itīs possible(more than that but...), that many of the "feats of the right hand" had been lost to time and history. Someone said that regardless of them being known or not by Fiamma, he could use them since theyīre part of the power that makes the HR, but you canīt drive a train without knowledge and you certainly canīt just say that itīs a "miracle" and thatīs why it worked perfectly. In this series magic is not quite so different from science, both heavily rely on experimentation and fine details to produce results; since thatīs the case, although the HR does most of the work, if Fiamma doesnīt have some control over it it may explode in his face, so he wonīt risk it just by trying to imitate a random legend. |
2011-05-18, 19:04 | Link #10471 | |
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Edit: ...well i have had a bit of time of letting it sit in me, what you wanted to show was something along the lines of "though itīs best if you take it with a grain of salt, this is exactly what youīre talking about, genes arenīt lost no matter how much time passes..."? Last edited by NightGale; 2011-05-18 at 21:30. |
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2011-05-18, 21:42 | Link #10472 | |
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Badass translater updated Chapter 8, part 1: Union Jack. P.S.: Once again comes to my not-so-sane-mind memories about the times when there where crack pairing stories between KL and WO .... |
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2011-05-18, 22:26 | Link #10475 | |
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In using Holy Right, it is more important to know about who are fighting against rather than Holy Right itself. |
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2011-05-19, 04:15 | Link #10479 |
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Not that I know of. Well, she did have a cameo in one of the illustrations for Vol. 1 of NT, but that's the only time I've seen her outside of Railgun.
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