2011-07-03, 04:14 | Link #8042 |
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Haruto deserves what's coming to him. I won't be surprised if Eba runs off on another "tangent" and leave him in the dust again. But he dug his own grave.
IMO Eba's feelings for Haruto are not the same that he feels for her. He's all-in emotionally and unconditionally in love with her and I don't think it's anywhere close to that for Eba. Gonna enjoy it when he gets screwed again. |
2011-07-03, 06:15 | Link #8043 |
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i think Seo will not taint Eba's character more (if he plans to end it)... She's too messed up already considering she was the leading lady here...
i feel that there will be another timeskip were asuka and friends have calmed down and can face haruto then he apologizes... i just hate to think that Seo might pull the "no one really blames your decision because you really love her" again... it would be an eye sore...
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2011-07-03, 14:20 | Link #8045 |
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Sorry folks, but you Eba haters have totally lost ANY kind of balance. Starting Kazama, she has done NOTHING AT ALL to deserve any kind of criticism whatsoever. And the few points where one could arguably be angry at her were either of minor consequence (refusing Haruto's earlier attempts to date), or a borderline decision which was understandable to a degree (dumping Haruto after the Nanami date and deciding to date Kazama).
When I read your echo chamber postings, one could get the impression that she was a scheming conniving minx. She isn't. Not remotely. So she neither needs to be "redeemed" or "more tainted". Unbelievable stuff here *shakes head* So, before we get more unsubstantial yelling here: Eba hater faction, what did she (not Haruto) do wrong? Serious entries with rational explanations only please. |
2011-07-03, 15:18 | Link #8046 | |
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2011-07-03, 15:47 | Link #8047 |
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sigh... it's really tiring to explain things repeatedly... please dont use the "no one's perfect" phrase... there's no sense in explaining using that excuse... "what did she (not Haruto) do wrong?" i give u one: She chose kazama over haruto. Eba's priority = Kazama > Haruto (if u dont understand ">", it means greater than) - whatever reason she or YOU have, this is what happened and it hurt Haruto and disappointed the gang, especially without communication and with just an inserted letter that obviously doesn't make sense... her selfish actions "confused" (check below why) Haruto and caused him to leave Hiroshima and live in an unfamiliar city to "save" Eba. unfortunately, he became the stalker, the heartless, the loser, and lost his direction, the hell does he care about studies and college... My Question: for now, Why did she get intimate with Haruto the night before he returned to hiroshima from his schooltrip when she really intend to break up with him using an inserted/hidden (yes she hid it, if not, she can just say it) letter that caused the "confusion" (check above) of Haruto?
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She's absolutely not the confrontational type, so feel free to blame her for using the letter to break up. But this constant demonization from some guys on this board is TOTALLY blowing things way out of proportion. She's perfectly fine as a person and does not NEED any form of "redemption". |
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2011-07-03, 16:52 | Link #8049 |
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In my book, this is something admirable. If in your book, this is something she "did wrong", you must have some seriously strange morals and priorities. [/QUOTE] This right here is why people get angry with you. Questioning people's morals and decency because you have different views on things will just get people riled up. People in different countries and families are raised differently. Just look at the difference between Japan and America-- here in the States, child pornography is a hugely bad thing (as I feel it should be), but in Japan, it's fairly rampant in their manga. I may not agree with how they see things, but just like everything else, morals are man-made opinions, not facts, so questioning them will get you nowhere (or flamed by some). That's all I'm saying on this because, frankly, I'm tired of the boards degenerating into flame wars over who's right and who's wrong. No one here is either-- they just believe differently.
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2011-07-03, 17:06 | Link #8050 | |
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Child Porn exploits children and I could use logic and reason to argue against its practice. This can be different than manga which it is just drawing and you'd have to serious consider if anyone is getting hurt or if it leads to people exploiting children in RL. A much difficult question either way. I find the quest to find some truth is important and just saying we believe differently is a plain cop-out which only leads to the degradation of society in the long run.
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2011-07-03, 17:13 | Link #8051 | |
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He may have been a good guy n' all but I find it hard to believe he wouldn't want some, I mean Eba is a looker. Sure she did to help him through it but they were teenagers, Kazuma was easy going in regards to his disease and I would have expected him to get more out of Eba than he did. It's cause of that that I didn't quite like Eba going out with him just for the sake of being there(as admirable as that may be) Can't recall but did Kazuma know Eba wasn't really in love him and just there for his sake?(btw I won't reply to any argument about whether or not she was in love with him, can't be arsed with that one, I just want to know if it was made clear or not, too lazy to go read it all again) BTW was it ever cleared up about the time line of when Eba moved back? As I recall it went like Eba moved back Kazuma aske her out, she rejects him cause she's with Haruto Then Kazuma later reveals his illness but still rejected(man thats gotta be awkward) After that I'm guessing Eba catches Haruto and Nanami, then decides to break up with Haruto and date Kazuma. Just so people know I just want to know what happens, as I can't remember these things being cleared up or not. Was always on my mind back then but as usual I tend to forget alot of stuff.
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2011-07-03, 17:55 | Link #8052 | |
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Obviously, you have to use some judgment on certain cases-- as I said, I'm American, I'm completely against child pornography and I've made it quite vocal (just look at the Kodomo no Jikan thread where I trashed the manga as it moved towards the teacher/11 year old student romance instead of the more familial route I was looking for). However, others feel that it's fine because it's make believe and not real life and they would never consider a situation like that in real life ok. I may not like it, but I'm also of the same stance on video games-- that violent games don't make people violent. You yourself said "some objective morals". I believe things like murder, rape, slavery, etc are all common moral grounds that span cultures (most, anyway). Breaking up with your boyfriend isn't (it's a really minor thing in the long run) and someone who thinks Eba did something wrong is entitled to that opinion, just as much as those who believed she did the right thing. There's not a universally accepted moral stance like there is when if comes to the before-mentioned atrocities. I personally felt she made a stupid choice (of course, I think Haruto's choices were just as stupid, so I don't think she gets all the blame like some believe). I don't see pity dating a dying guy and cutting all contact with your boyfriend after leaving a note in a bag as a good thing. It's the same thing with Haruto's friends. Some believe they did the right thing, others believe they were morons and some are in between. It doesn't make any of them morally better than the other.
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2011-07-03, 19:07 | Link #8054 | |
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We probably will never find an objective answer or a consensus on issues like this but that doesn't mean the debate isn't worth having. We can definitely get people thinking about certain situations and consider/reconsider their own beliefs.
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2011-07-03, 20:18 | Link #8055 | |
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Random edit so that I am not entirely off-topic: People are just still butt-hurt that Eba chose Kazama over Haruto at that point. I'm sure if we go back far enough (like 200 pages) we'll see stuff like NTR being thrown around, even though it really wasn't. In retrospect, Kazama was a better character than Haruto - too bad he croaked |
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this might be long, so bear with it...u might accept some of my points..
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yes, it isnt wrong to choose who you want to be with, but that reasoning is invalid because she created (intentionally or not) some "situations", and we'll encounter that later in this post... Quote:
or cut communication without any notice.. -this would end up you(Haruto) asking "WHY?" -read chapter 70 again, kimi_no_iru_machi/v09/c070/5 ... he explained things to her, the guy was serious and she believes him. -after settling things, then a break up? "why?" -Did she really love Kazama or is she still thinking of Haruto? kimi_no_iru_machi/v12/c098/13 kimi_no_iru_machi/v12/c098/14 i feel sorry for these guys..they are confused... and only eba knows the truth... actually my idea here is that Haruto said those things to lighten up Kazama for pitying himself, which means that's exactly what Haruto feels for him, "pity"... if not, then this just means Haruto was telling the truth that Eba didnt just date him out of pity, so she has developed her feelings for kazama... so who caused this confusion? still Eba... she keeps everyone hanging... Quote:
i just said that this is what happened... she chose kazama over haruto... and now, she visits his workplace, she makes excuses to be alone with him, then she just confessed to him knowing he has Asuka... talking about morals... she wanted to get Haruto back even if it is stealing from another girl... yes, it really depends on Haruto's answer, but still she did it... yes, she confessed and dont tell me she doesnt want an answer... or was she just thinking back then when she dated Kazama that she will just try to win Haruto back after Kazama dies...yes, she expected him to die because she didnt force kazama to take surgery or rather just respect his decision which made Kiyomi angry.. yeah, morals... Quote:
-(this is common sense) the gang accepted her as a friend and girlfriend of haruto, who wouldnt be disappointed when your friend is spacing out, depressed, checking his cellphone from time to time hoping eba will contact him. they thought she will make him happy... that's the disappointment...OMG, i cant believe you cant think of this......... and you want your childhood friend to be with this girl again? "who cares, its his life, not mine" - yeah, you're a good friend... Quote:
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kimi_no_iru_machi/v09/c070/8 - more on the succeeding pages -this would be like: HARUTO: "who would have thought i will be dumped after this...she cut off all communications..." ME: "actually u are already dumped before that because the letter was already made, check inside the bag, quick..." HARUTO: "EH?! REALLYYYY?!!!" -note: so she already met kazama before this kissing scene happened (considering the thought of the letter was about)...safe to say that she made her decision before this scene.. Quote:
- so comment if u want... you might see this as flaming but actually not.. but i admit i stressed some of my emotions here, so sorry... - but please, dont also use another excuse like "Seo was the stupid one for making her like that".. - sorry for using other forum's links... (for admins)
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