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If what I quoted in my previous post is to be believed, then the thunderstorm did cause the computer system to mark large areas of the track as "red zone" (by design or malfunction), hence it refuses to let train to move. Since the government has caught a lot of flak from the last time that Beijing-Shanghai high speed train was brought to a halt by another thunderstorm, the decision was to let the train to move no matter what. The computer system was shut down, together with the safety system, the train was pretty much invisible to all other trains on the track. The quote also mentioned that the command from the coordination station to the first train was to ignore all the red signals, and drive at 20km/h. There seems to be something wrong with the (CTCS system?) of the second train, but they order it to go ahead no matter what. From what I gathered somewhere else, the second train was delayed. If it was on time, it should be ahead of the first train, which it crash into. Anyway, the thunderstorm was pretty severe, according to the witness, but I am 100% certain that it is more of an human error than technical failure. The brazen breach of the safety code and the ignorance of human lives are just appalling. The government handling of the aftermath is just absurd. Do they think they are fooling anyone? |
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2011-07-25, 03:04 | Link #15122 | |
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I bet they will cry foul when the money is not used for humanitarian purposes only (not). This is just meant to appease our constitutional court and to silence the opposition parties (who'ld otherwise cry war supporter) and still doing something to come at the good side with the rebels.
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2011-07-25, 04:39 | Link #15123 |
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Norway gunman wants to appear in court in uniform
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2011-07-25, 04:45 | Link #15124 | |
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2011-07-25, 05:11 | Link #15125 | |
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He wants to feed the cycle of violence. I'm repeating myself, but he wants to be a forerunner to the next great European conflict; a civil war that'll last almost a century. If he can stir up more tensions in the already fickle relations between (among others) Muslims and native Europeans, he feels his job is done.
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2011-07-25, 06:56 | Link #15126 |
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The moron also made a statement that he based a good portion of his training with games like Modern Warfare, Call of Duty and (of all things) World of Warcraft.
It makes me facepalm just thinking about it, then newspapers and anti-violence lobby groups (like the ACL) are all like 'This is evidence against violent games!' which makes me start head butting a wall. He's going for a grand-slam of ticking people off with everything he's done and said so far. When I first heard about the train crash I thought it would have been for sure that mag-lev one. Those things are barely out of testing afaik. Though they would have more quality control since I believe the cars are manufactured in... Germany? Britain? Either way, I'm not really surprised that there was a crash. There just doesn't seem to be the same level safety or quality present in China as there are in other countries.
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2011-07-25, 07:22 | Link #15127 | |
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2011-07-25, 08:00 | Link #15128 | |
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Anyway I am reading his manifesto and it seems interesting so far in the 1st 200 pages (some parts I just peeked, too much text and citations). I thought it was complete nonsense writing but he indeed put a lot of effort to write something with head, body and feet although lot of citations. He had even put the sources.
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2011-07-25, 08:24 | Link #15129 |
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A friend linked this on FB, another this - it makes me hate the media at times
This was linked in the comments, an interesting blog post. This is, I guess, the bulk of his writings? (need to translate it, since its in Norwegian)
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2011-07-25, 08:40 | Link #15130 | |
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Norwegian media reported some time ago that parts of the manifesto were taken straight from Unabomber's manifesto. Single words were replaced with concepts fitting his own ideology. I'm not sure of the credibility of this source, though. Anyways, the interview and his diary in the end were somewhat interesting. The diary at least doesn't give an impression of a foaming lunatic. He is calm, calculating and rational. Of course, acting rational and being a psychopath don't exclude eachother.
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As if it takes any training to pull a trigger. Mario and Megaman would give you just as good, if not better, hand-eye coordination training. Though it's not like you need to really aim if you don't have any specific target. Watching a movie or youtube clip would show you how to operate the gun itself (cleaning, reloading, etc). Of course, the media will ignore these obvious facts.
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2011-07-25, 11:50 | Link #15133 | |
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2011-07-25, 12:44 | Link #15134 | |
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Whether you're left, right, or somewhere in between, I'm sure we can all agree that ideally people should hold their political views not out of fear, but as a result of rational consideration of what they truly think would be best and most just for society. After all, it's this very fear that most likely drove him to commit this atrocity.
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2011-07-25, 12:58 | Link #15135 | |
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2011-07-25, 17:18 | Link #15136 | |
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Targeting kids who supported labor, instead of muslims has created a sense of extreme shock and disgust but hasn't created more public sympathy for the latter. This smells of cold insane calculation rather then the rabid hate of neo-nazi groups. I hope the media aren't going to be manipulated to give his guy a world stage to spread his hate message. |
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2011-07-25, 17:25 | Link #15137 |
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Sounds like a "Welcome to US politics" situation. Of course from reading from this board, Europeans don't believe the Americans have a left, only a slightly right of center, a right, and a far right.
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2011-07-25, 17:49 | Link #15138 | |
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According to his lawyer, ABB told him repeatedly that he expected to be shot outside the court room. Also, he expected to be tortured while in detention, and believed that torture is very common in Norwegian prisons. His lawyer says that "he has a different understanding of reality than other people." Well, what a surprise. I hope they get mental health experts working on this case. It seems his delusions run deep. Here's the google translated article: http://translate.google.com/translat...%2F17455469%2F
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2011-07-25, 20:01 | Link #15139 | |
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The interesting part is, however, that this is the same lawyer who defended the accused in an infamous racially motivated murder 10 years ago. The accused was convicted and is currently serving a long sentence. (17 years iirc.) I actually passed the monument set up in honor of the victim the same day the choice of lawyer was announced. Breivik requested that this man defend him personally, further adding to the lawyer's already dubious reputation. Defending a racist murderer ten years ago might not seem like that big of a deal for a lawyer, but keep in mind that racially motivated murders (and murders in general) are exceedingly rare in Norway, and they tend to stay in the social consciousness for quite a while when they do happen.
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2011-07-25, 22:40 | Link #15140 |
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Children abandoned on east Africa's "roads of death"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...76O3P020110725
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