2011-04-21, 09:07 | Link #1 |
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FMP - Technology Discussion (Black Technology, Arm Slaves, Lambda Driver, etc)
The purpose of this thread is to discuss the technology of Full Metal Panic. Feel free to discuss about the Arm Slaves (models such like ARX series, M9, Codarl/Venom, etc), devices (Lambda Driver), weapons, power suits (Bonta-kun suit for instance) and so forth.
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2011-04-25, 09:04 | Link #4 | |
ARX-Fake
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I was wondering what kind of material the "Hair" or cooling wires of the Codarl and...
Spoiler for "Have Red":
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Spoiler for Pilot Suit:
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2011-08-07, 00:09 | Link #7 |
Black Steel Knight
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I just want to know how can a giant AS like Behemoth became such a threatening existence? When logic is applied, that AS has so many flaws (lambda driver aside):
First, since it only has 2 legs there's a huge balance issues. One blast to it's body, and it will be crumbling like a demolished building (unless it has lambda driver shield). Logically speaking, once it down, it'll never be able to get back up on it's own. The energy needed to move it alone will be enough to launch a shuttle to space. So, it's not really efficient. Since it's so big, it's only natural that it's so slow. So, it wont be very useful in close combat against smaller & faster AS. Heck, if they use jets, it wont be last a minute. |
2011-08-07, 00:32 | Link #8 |
ARX-Fake
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The Lambda driver is not only used for creating force fields. In the Behemoth's case, it can also manipulate the AS's observable mass. Hence, the power required to move it may not be that much and it also solves the balance issue.
Also, the best way to destroy it, like all Lambda Driver equipped Armslaves, is through surprise attacks. The pilot may not be able to create a field fast enough if he's caught off guard. Spoiler for COMO:
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2011-08-07, 00:54 | Link #9 |
Black Steel Knight
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Yeah, It's surprising how useless Behemoth is once you take Lambda Driver out of the equation.
Agreed, I've read that chapter. Surprise attacks does work on Behemoth's slow reaction. Also, any missiles can work too if only Behemoth doesn't use radar. |
2011-08-07, 02:06 | Link #11 | |
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The Behemoth need the Lambda driver to operate without it it's just a chunk of metal that can't even stand up, and because of that when analysing the Behemoth the LD can't be remove from the equation. |
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2011-08-07, 02:47 | Link #12 |
Gamilas Falls
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Do we know if the AS-1 has a Lambda Driver? Or any of the AS in the roughly 2011 time frame for that matter, since the M9 seems to be the standard model now were it was the experiamental trails version were the United States was concerned.
Has the United States moved on to 4th generation Arm Slaves? (what is the difference between 3rd and 4h generation AS anyway?) The AS-1 would seem to be be the Japanese model of the M9...at least from what little I can see. Or a home made AS based on the M9. Also I would love a world map from Full Metal Panic.
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2011-08-07, 04:20 | Link #13 | |
ARX-Fake
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The Belial, from my observation, is still within the 3rd generation class. Remove the Lambda Driver and we'll get an AS that's on par or slightly better than the M9. The battle between that cheater and the Laevatein in Yamsk 11 and Merida Island showed what it's capable of without the magical hax device. The US army has just been using third generation armslaves for the past ten years. Jumping to the fourth generation class this early not believable. They may be working on the theories and technologies to produce the fourth generation class but it's probably in its infancy stage - likely that it's still on paper. As for the AS-1. It really looks like it is Japan's attempt at making their own third generation AS. HS said it's the fist nationally made AS and it has a large red circle on its left shoulder armor.
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2011-08-07, 11:26 | Link #14 |
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To be completely honest, 3rdGen AS right now are, IMO, the limit of Arm Slaves when not putting LDS in. 3rdGen AS like M9 are basically "complete form" over 2ndGen because they can support newer electronics, better armoured while being lighter, equiped with fusion reactors and, most importantly, the closest resemblence to "humanoid" land fighting machines. Of course as shown in BOMF some advantages of 2ndGen over 3rdGen, but they're probably mutually exclusive. Just think about the scene of Sousuke's Crossbow pushing debris away while it pinned that M9: their inner mechanics to outer design theories are completely different.
My thought of possible 4thGen movement? Variable AS, but that was proved failure since 1st-2ndGen; or few-in-one weapon packs.
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2011-08-07, 12:14 | Link #15 | |
Black Steel Knight
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So, 2nd gen AS is like cars in the 50s-60s with stronger body and the 3rd gen AS is like nowadays cars with more agile body albeit far more fragile?
Hmm...make sense. Quote:
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2011-08-07, 15:56 | Link #17 |
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The Behemoth was build from the ground up with the Lambda Driver in mind unlike the other AS that use the frame of existing one (Zy-98 Shadow and XM9). If you take the ARX-7 and remove the LD you have a M9D Falke so it's normal that the AS is still a threat, but remove the data-link from the ARX-8, even with its LD, a M6 with ECS can probably kick its ass
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