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The fact that they have ranged spells, even if mostly inferior to Midchildan, and that they would use it when situation demand, meant that no, ranged magic is not against their knightly idea of combat. It may not be their specialty, but they do not despise it. And I doubt that quick-teleports, should they exist, would be against that code either. Heavy cavalries rarely charge from the front, they usually flank, something quick-teleports would be useful for. Quote:
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Like I said before, Yuuno was still recovering his magical power. He wasn't going to spend any more effort on Arf than he had to. According to Yuuno himself in the Sound Stages, it wasn't until MONTHS after the Precia Incident ended that Yuuno's magic finally finished recovering. The poor boy keep pushing himself too much after exhausting himself at the start of the whole thing. Ah, Firefly. "I'll hunt you until death!" "Darn" *kicks him into the jet intake* Man, I was NOT expecting that one. Made me laugh. |
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2011-09-14, 00:06 | Link #43 | |
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It also happens frequently in JoJo, due to how the fights tend to go in that. |
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2011-09-14, 11:19 | Link #44 |
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Jojo is usually what shounen fans should look at when you think teamwork. The more well-known example being Polnareff and Kakyoin vs J.Gail. A more tragic example would be, in the same part, Polnareff, Abdul and Iggy vs Vanilla Ice. In Jojo part 4, you have Hayato and Josuke vs the main antagonist. Part 5 had Mista and Giorno vs Giacco (the user of the Stand White Album). Then Part 6 have a brilliant battle of Jolyne and Hermes against the Stand Underworld.
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2011-09-14, 11:28 | Link #45 |
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Or of course you can have HxH, where pretty much every Arc has at least one Teamwork battle, if not 3 or 4.
The 'people talking about teamwork but never using it' is usually reserved to the more childish Shounens.. which tends to be the more famous. |
2011-09-17, 09:40 | Link #47 |
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So, with the latest translated chapter of Force, my mind is drifting closer to one particular theory. Let me use this imaginary conversation to explain it...
Scientist: "We've invented this new combat robot!" Corporate guy #1: "Hmm, nice, but the TSAB relies on mages, not robots. They'll never buy it." Corporate guy #2: "What if they couldn't rely on magic?" CG #1: "What do you mean?" CG #2: "I've heard of this Huckbein family operating outside Bureau space. They normally keep a bit of a low profile, but they have this interesting anti-magic property. If we could arrange for them to wreck some carnage in Bureau space..." CG #1: "But why would they do that? They would know the Bureau would come down hard on them." CG #2: "Everyone has something they want. We just have to provide it. And we can sell them weapons, too." CG #1: "So we engineer a conflict and end up selling weapons to both sides. Nice." Robots of that complexity would take some time to develop, and the speech given by the corporate scientist there, gives me the impression she's trying to sell those robots to the TSAB. It doesn't take much for me to see the threads of Caledfwlch and Vandin working together in order to create a conflict and then sell weapons to both sides. |
2011-09-17, 09:43 | Link #48 |
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It's the same theory I've heard since the beginning, and it still sounds very plausible.
But explain why they felt the need to give the robots human faces? Even just the lower half. It's creepy, especially when you just KNOW these things are going to be used as disposable weapons. Anyway, I'm going to go with the following ideas about Short Jumping: 1) Fast speed and Flash/Sonic Moves are generally a lot less trouble to learn and use, especially with the Ancient Belkan magic system. 2) Short Jumping is still useful for people who otherwise can't move very fast, and helps launch surprise attacks because there's no possible way to catch you traveling from Point A to Point B. 3) It's really only good for catching a distracted opponent off-guard, not so much for using in the middle of an active engagement. Especially against an opponent as fast as Fate. When facing speed, speed is a better answer. |
2011-09-17, 10:16 | Link #49 |
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Actually going by the Force Next article, they have complete faces and everything, just no personality allowed at all.
Truthfully, I was thinking that they used Jail's research to get started, and also based the models off of an original body, you know, kinda like Star Wars without the clones (specifically nonsentient to get around the whole sending them in mass to die, or the ethical and moral horrors of creating more combat cyborgs) Of course: a) They suspiciously look like someone we've already seen, although I refuse to speculate any further on this point until we have any kind of solid confirmation, the end. b) They're gonna put a mega buster on one of them sooner or later. Good bye nonsentience, hello reploids. c) The outfit they're wearing isn't too bad, but seriously, that god damn helmet needs to go. There are a eleventy trillions different permutations or styles that would've been just fine rather than what they're wearing. |
2011-09-17, 10:18 | Link #50 |
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The helmets are ugly, yes.
Personally, I just want to ignore that StrikerS and Force ever happened, with the exception of the characters and elements that I actually liked, which might be used for better stories. But that's not a theory or speculation, so I guess it's off-topic. |
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2011-09-17, 12:36 | Link #53 |
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That said, we see no evidence that he uses his teleport against her in the fight. Instead, he sees the need to transform into a form that is even bigger, stronger and harder to hurt.
Which suggests that his evasion and ambush ability is simply not up to the task of fighting Fate. Which suggests to me that he's not teleporting. The two times he did teleport, his targets were already engaged with fighting someone else, and he started from a point where no one saw or shot at him. There was no one pressuring him as he was preparing the teleport. And once he's engaged, he doesn't teleport again. So it's apparently only an openning move that he typically doesn't have to repeat, given that his one blow should kill the opponent. Nanoha's fortress blocked the blow, and Isis should have died from a broken neck. |
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Nanoha's Fortress didn't block Deville's blow, it was Fate(the Fortress utterly fails to protect Nanoha aginst Deville).
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So, it may be that Short Jumping in the middle of a fight is not difficult to execute, but pointless. Or at least pointless against someone as fast and mobile as Fate. Nanoha was not able to detect the teleport happening; she didn't react until Deville had already appeared behind her. Unless Fate has superior extra-dimensional senses, she's probably not able to sense where Deville would re-appear either. What she CAN do is anticipate where he'll reappear next. And HE had to choose his destination by anticipating where SHE was going to be in the next half-second, which is difficult considering how fast she can move. And as soon as Fate sees him disappear, she can Sonic Move away from her last position really fast. It's like Fate's playing Whackamole with a machine that shoots a baseball before popping out a mole. She doesn't always know where the ball will come from, but odds are good that she'll smack it before it hits her, or dodge while swinging at the mole before it disappears again. Quote:
One moment, Deville saw a clear opportunity to cut Nanoha down, and then half a moment later he's surprised by this blonde mage appearing out of nowhere so fast HE thought SHE teleported. This seems to lend credence to the idea that Deville's teleportation simply isn't a match for Fate's reaction and movement speed. He'd probably give Subaru, Ginga and Nove a lot of trouble, since their Wing Roads make their paths predictable enough for him to counter, even given their speed. And while they're canonically faster than Nanoha (I think), there's been no comparison to Fate's speed yet. |
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