(L) Negima Manga Discussion

[Sage Shinigami]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Many mangas were canned in a worse way (Mz0 anyone?), and still were "justifiable". To consider Negima's situation as unjustifiable is quite an overstatement, but that's just me I guess.

Mx0 was cancelled though. But yeah, I agree. I'm not going to lie, the Festival arc was everything I dislike about harems aside from an annoying tsundere (no Anya? Yay!). But aside from that and randomly skipping over what happened to Nagi, this ending wasn't the worst thing ever.

And because someone posted that trailer, I'm reminded that there needs to be a Negima fighting game for the PS3. Like Ninja Storm Generations, only more fun because it has characters I'm actually a fan of.

[dragon4dudes]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

(creeps back in here after days of toiling away on a paper)

.....HAHAHAHA! The rage still burns on! Excellent!

It seems like the fire has cooled somewhat though.

[Merctrin]

IT'S TOTALLY CANON THAT SETSUNA MARRIED TSUKUYOMI!1!

That help?



As far as the rest of the manga goes... I don't want to speculate too much about why Akamatsu ended the series when he did, but since he was apparently aware for some time that it would be ending this week, I think he could have made better use of the chapters he produced. That said, the ending chapter by itself was relatively satisfying. It just would have been nice to see more of what he says the cast did, especially the events that Negi mentioned on the roster. Actually, most of the issues I have with the ending have to do with the amount of "tell" vs. "show".

Really, I think the only thing that seriously annoyed me about the series overall is that Setsuna and Tsukuyomi never got the page time to show off their one proper fight. ...That, and it not being outright stated that Setsuna and Konoka got together, but for those two, it's easy enough to go with whatever ending you'd prefer. Proper confirmation would have been cool, though.

Actually, wait, one more thing: What happened to Arika?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Merctrin

not being outright stated that Setsuna and Konoka got together, but for those two, it's easy enough to go with whatever ending you'd prefer.

In the page where they mention their marriage they even show Setsuna carrying Konoka bridal style, and using actual bridal Kimono, with Setsuna wearing the male one to boot:



All in all, even though we don't have 100% confirmation that they married each other, I don't think there's much room for deniability.

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

they even show Setsuna carrying Konoka bridal style,

That could be a clue, but.....

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

and using actual bridal Kimono, with Setsuna wearing the male one to boot:

No. There is no such thing as a bridal kimono in modern days, although if one wants to be traditional, this is what one would wear:



Pure white.

[Excelion]

Anything else from Ken's twitter about the ending?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Hmm... just read the ending and wondering which one is worse, Shaman King’s initial ending or this .

I wish they would continue this in other media like visual novel, light novel, OVA or something.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Pure white.

White is not the only one. The one that posted in that image is used too.

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

White is not the only one. The one that posted in that image is used too.

That's not the point. Only the pure white kimono could be considered a bridal kimono, with all others being just regular kimonos used after the actual ceremony itself when greeting guests. In fact, personally I never seen a lavish kimono being used for the wedding. To label what Konoka is wearing as bridal is overinterpretation which has no bases behind it.

[RRW]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Hmm... just read the ending and wondering which one is worse, Shaman King’s initial ending or this .

I wish they would continue this in other media like visual novel, light novel, OVA or something.

well at least for SK we have true ending 5 years latter (and we gonna to have sequel )

[DKN117]

Man... Negima, Mass Effect 3... Any other soon-ending series planning to hit us with a sub-par / unresolvant / shitty ending?

(Eyes "Naruto" nervously)

[OverMaster]

Originally Posted by Kurush

I'm going to assume that you had no idea when you typed that.

Of course I did, and I stand by my point.

[ellifeedn]

Just to sum up everything:

* Negima had an ending that not a lot of people liked.
* Many people blame Akamatsu for the whole thing.
* His editors (obviously) had a part in why the ending sucked for many.
* Much arguing happened.

I don't think Akamatsu should be blamed for everything, but all things considered, he should carry some blame for allowing the ending to turn out like it did.

[Franckie]

The story started transforming into a trainwreck right around ~1/2 way through the Magical World Saga. There is a linear relationship between interest in work and quality of storytelling. Akametsu has had little interest in his work for the past few years, and it only lasted as long as it did because of his editors' meddling. On a side note, Akametsu presumeably had a stressed relationship with the editors, so they'd be a factor in this mess too.

[Hata]

the last update of Negima secret files, from MNMRI,

344
when Yue confesses to Negi, the chapter was released on Shonen Magazine on November 16th (2011), which just happen to be Yue's birthday.

351
the CD Asuna returns to Misa is Kobayashi Yu's (Setsuna) first album "You & Yu", released on March 26th, 2008. which makes it anarchy.
(OT: Kobayashi Yu is quite talented in many different fields, Ken mentions her often in his posts, as Maria also sings the OP Hanaji for Maria Holic, read her bio on wiki sometimes.)

354
the two new characters Makoto and Kagehisa are named for characters from the manga Blades of Immortal, of Anotsu Kagehisa and Makoto, Blades of Immortal is also where the name Maki (Maki Tachibana) is from.

What Ken is doing now, in his own words, used to be
98% Negima, 2% J-Comi
right now
8% J-Comi, 2% Apple II, 90% resting.

his drinking and his weight has increased, as Ken does not drink when he is working with a deadline. he obviously has increase his dialogues (twitter traffic) with fellow mangaka now that he has time and J-Comi business to talk to them, two notable mangaka (for me) that he talks to lately are Izumi Matsumoto (KOR) and Yui Toshiki, two of my ero starter from my manga reading beginning.

Ken is moving, and I am assuming he is closing down his studio, (he only moves into a new house 2 years ago.) even when there are still works to be done for BK38, for people who don't know, Ken had rented a posh 10th floor office space in downtown Tokyo Shinjuku to be his studio for the past 9 years, he is giving away books and DVD to assistants who wants them, and his senior assistant MH is giving the run of the empty studio to do his own manga to apply to publishers, with screen tones and copy machine at the ready.

right now the biggest thing that occupied most of Ken's time (at least on twitter) is his fight against publishers, which including Kodansha, in trying to impose a new law by creating "neighboring copyright", for people who are not creator but has a hand in "helping" the creation of the work gets automatic right, meaning editors, researchers, printers, etc. or plain speaking, a power grab by the publishers to take right away from the author, this is something VERY SERIOUS and has long unforeseen consequences if pass through, (the publisher can and will go after second hand creation/dojin without need to ask the permission of the author, etc. (it was one of the state benefits of this law) meaning the end of dojinshi as we know it., or after a serial is over the author can not retain exclusive right to it while the publisher can hold onto to it forever to keep making money for itself, etc.) and Japanese works readers (be it novel or manga) need to pay attention to this development just like the Tokyo Child Protection law,

[APNki]

Originally Posted by Hata

right now the biggest thing that occupied most of Ken's time (at least on twitter) is his fight against publishers, which including Kodansha, in trying to impose a new law by creating "neighboring copyright", for people who are not creator but has a hand in "helping" the creation of the work gets automatic right, meaning editors, researchers, printers, etc. or plain speaking, a power grab by the publishers to take right away from the author, this is something VERY SERIOUS and has long unforeseen consequences if pass through, (the publisher can and will go after second hand creation/dojin without need to ask the permission of the author, etc. (it was one of the state benefits of this law) meaning the end of dojinshi as we know it., or after a serial is over the author can not retain exclusive right to it while the publisher can hold onto to it forever to keep making money for itself, etc.) and Japanese works readers (be it novel or manga) need to pay attention to this development just like the Tokyo Child Protection law,

I believe that this post that Ken made on his Tumblr account goes into a more detailed explanation of the new "neighboring copyright" law here: http://kenakamatsu.tumblr.com/post/19395239269/rinsetsu

[Ithekro]

White wedding gowns are only to be used (traditionally) if the bride is a virgin. Otherwise off-whites are used a lot, as are light pinks, light blues, and light yellow.

[Von Himmel]

right now the biggest thing that occupied most of Ken's time (at least on twitter) is his fight against publishers, which including Kodansha, in trying to impose a new law by creating "neighboring copyright", for people who are not creator but has a hand in "helping" the creation of the work gets automatic right, meaning editors, researchers, printers, etc. or plain speaking, a power grab by the publishers to take right away from the author, this is something VERY SERIOUS and has long unforeseen consequences if pass through, (the publisher can and will go after second hand creation/dojin without need to ask the permission of the author, etc. (it was one of the state benefits of this law) meaning the end of dojinshi as we know it., or after a serial is over the author can not retain exclusive right to it while the publisher can hold onto to it forever to keep making money for itself, etc.) and Japanese works readers (be it novel or manga) need to pay attention to this development just like the Tokyo Child Protection law,

Could someone please explain this in layman's term for me?

[Keroko]

Japanese publishers want their copyright laws to be more like western publishers where they hold all power over the product in question and anything made by third parties (doujins, figurines, AMV's etc.) are violation of copyright and suable.

[ellifeedn]

^ What Hata is trying to say is if anyone is involved in the production of a series they can claim the right to own that series (hell, even someone who gave a pen to an inker has a claim), but the big problem with that is that the publishers can claim any series as their own through the barest of connections and take that series away from the original creator. Oh, and since they are the owners, they can stop any doujin that's made with any characters from the series they own.