2012-06-17, 17:01 | Link #4063 |
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Her spells at the lowest setting = carpet bombing, and at the highest settings = Ea (aka destroy reality)/ tactical nuke. However, her spells have long casting times and she never got out of the wheelchair (crappy physical stamina) so yeah, she's a glass cannon.
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2012-06-17, 17:11 | Link #4064 | |
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2012-06-17, 19:00 | Link #4065 | ||
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2012-06-17, 19:38 | Link #4066 |
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Actually, in the manga, Nanoha did NOT, in fact, breach Yuuno's defenses...
She pierced a field that Yuuno was using to keep the Starlight Breaker Plus from being seen by normal people. The only other time Yuuno's barrier was destroyed was because he was trying to contain Nanoha, Fate and Hayate's full destructive power. If you notice, there wasn't too much damage from the end result of all of that. And Hayate flat-out says, in a fight, Caro could, back in StrikerS, beat her straight up without using any summons. And by the end of StrikerS, Caro is A+ in ranking. Comparable to Ginga and Yuuno, both of whom are A rank. (In fact, Caro's only A+ because of her experience in the field.) Hayate also stated, just before that, that her only useful spells are bombardment spells, she's useless for doing smaller spells, and while no one can match her in long-range power, that's it, she's next-to-useless by herself in any other field. Granted, she probably forgot about the freezing field she did at the start of StrikerS, but... Any time Hayate's about to use magic, everyone clears the *bleep* out. And, yes, that includes Nanoha and Fate. Hayate has a TON of magic, no one denies this, but it is stated that her magic is geared offensively and for one thing. She has to stand still, chant the spell, AND have a magical array going before she can fire any spell. As you saw in Force, when she got taken out because she couldn't put any magic into defense.
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2012-06-18, 00:49 | Link #4069 |
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I never saw Hayate as a glass canon. just very unskilled.
Her barrier jacket might be at least average but against the people she's dealing with... let just say if she get into a close range fight one on one. Her opponent will be using her as a punching bag and she won't know what to do to get out of it. Now her PSP-verse on the other hand is as good, if not better, than Nanoha. |
2012-06-18, 01:22 | Link #4070 | |
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That's because Eins is there to coach her in using her own Linker Core.
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2012-06-18, 03:53 | Link #4073 |
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Hayate is also surprisingly sturdier than we tought, she seems to be getting the opposite as the wolkenritter. While the Wolks are getting weaker over time, Hayate seems to be getting stronger, after being impalled by Curren is mentioned that Hayate's fast recovery seems to came from the fact her body is now enhaced by her Linker core fusion with Ein's which allows her to raise from bed from a backstabbing within days, unlike Signum who took over two months. Probably in the future the wolks will leave the battlefield like Arf did whent their powers decrease enough for them not being able to keep with others and Hayate's powers rise enough to stop needing their protection anyway.
On the Barrier Jacket discussion, it seems the BJ's can vary in strenght at least according to the user. Signum withstanding Nanoha's SSA was treated as pretty hardcore stuff by the people present (Dieci even mentioned being taken down by Nanoha with much less than that despite the fact she was protected by AMF from both her cyborg body and the cradle at the time). But well, that was back on StrikerS where the wolks still had a decent amount of superhuman resillence and durability (Vita VS.The Cradle comes to mind).
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2012-06-18, 06:55 | Link #4075 |
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I meant as a security measure against illegal usage. Though if you want to flip it, you could have intrusive DRM - Let's say Nanoha gets cloned or injury forces her into a GitS-style full body prosthetic, will she still be able to use RH?
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2012-06-18, 11:19 | Link #4077 |
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Another question: Fate was using Jet Zanber, you know the thing that broke through one of the Defense Program's barriers, as a regular 'ol melee attack in StrikerS, right? I mean, Tre and Sette were putting up a fight although the AMF was slowing Fate down. And then she kind of just one hit ko'd them with her Riot form(s). They were S+ Rank Combat Cyborgs and pretty impressive in their own right. Now, in Force, Riot Blade and Zanber II didn't OHK Cypha or DeVille.
An example of power creep? It's pretty subtle. Nanoha, Fate, Signum, and Hayate seem to be far more powerful than everyone else in Special Duty Section 6. Vita gets owned too much to be mentioned with them and doesn't have the feats to suggest she's as strong, but she's much stronger than the juniors, too. Last edited by VezSketch; 2012-06-18 at 11:30. |
2012-06-18, 11:33 | Link #4078 |
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^That's mainly because:
a) While 5th Gen Bardiche have a far better performance than AEC-Equipements it's still forced to nerf Fate's powers somewhat when she fights under the effects of the Eclipse so her attacks, while still strong and effective, aren't as powerfull as always and... b) Cypha and Deville are probably the two members of the Huckebein family with the highest resillence. Two swords has been broken after hitting Cypha's body (one of them a divider) while Deville have his Armorize power who takes his defenses Up to Eleven. After activating that Fate didn't even managed to scratch him.
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2012-06-18, 13:32 | Link #4079 | |
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Is clearly just as hard to heal from as this: It is quite clear that Signum's greater restoration period was simply because her wounds were far more severe by a rather sizable margin, not because 'the Wolkies are getting weaker while Hayate is getting stronger.' Please Aki, this is the FAQ thread. At least in this thread, stick to facts, not your biased, unsupported theories. |
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2012-06-18, 13:49 | Link #4080 | |
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