2012-07-08, 12:16 | Link #29582 |
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Well, it's not a long theory, just a random shot at a solution for Episode 2. Here's the link:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...96#post2477596 |
2012-07-08, 13:44 | Link #29583 | ||||||
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It's true that the manga might differ in terms of canon with the novel, but Ryukishi said he would give hints through it and Dawn too was written by Battler. That's true Ikuko let Ange read it but it's in a meta scene. And Will read Battler's tale as he commented it was the funnier (or something like that). I'll say in order to write Requiem, Yasu's help is needed so either Yasu is Ikuko and she helped Toya write it or, before dying, Yasu passed a huge amount of info on her life to Battler... Otherwise Requiem is a speculation on Yasu's life way huger than Ep 4 might be on Ange's life. Quote:
There's the risk they won't guess right and the fact they failed will bring her to a 'Pyrrhic victory'. Yes, they couldn't guess what she wanted but hey, she didn't got what she wanted... though to her getting it merely by telling them what she wants would be meaningless as well as it would prove nothing. Though some people in a love relation do the same saying to their loved one things like: 'if you truly loved me you would know what I want/think right now' so maybe it fits. Quote:
So getting rid of Ange and the Sumadera who are 'a threat' to the Ushiromiya group would 'bring peace' among the Ushiromiya group. Though this is only my interpretation. Quote:
On a sidenote... someone told me that when Battler became the golden wizard he also became a 'Beatrice' but I can't find it in the text... someone can confirm/deny this? Quote:
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And sorry for replying only now to some old threads but I just got back from Rome and there I didn't have the pc... ^_^;;; |
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2012-07-08, 14:06 | Link #29584 | |
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2012-07-09, 04:29 | Link #29585 |
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I'm probably the only one who thinks this but how is the possibility that there is no real killer?
What I'm trying to go at is that is this: There is more than 1 Killer. For those who want an explanation: Spoiler for 1st Game.:
However as for the second game, I cannot think else except it was someone else. Spoiler for Game 2:
Game 3: Again a nice scenario: Spoiler for Game 3:
I'm currently working at the next game. However I my reasoning is this: Spoiler for What I think.:
At least for now as I still work on the others. Last edited by Kiltias; 2012-07-09 at 04:39. |
2012-07-09, 08:25 | Link #29588 | ||
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Your theory has several places where people who were pronounced dead with red truth continue moving around and doing things afterwards.
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In your theory, why do Kyrie and Rudolf believe they can get money by killing everyone?
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2012-07-09, 12:56 | Link #29589 | ||
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Aside from not accounting for the Kanon, Shannon is dead reds,
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Why would they even need to work together? All it takes is one faker or planted key from an outsider and the whole system is destroyed. |
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2012-07-09, 15:59 | Link #29590 |
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So I was looking over the Ep 8 thread, and someone mentioned that in the Riddle Games, George and Jessica give you a single puzzle worth two medals. There are 16 riddles in that game, but 17 medals total.
So was this supposed to be yet another ShKanon hint (Not really sure how it would help anyone who didn't already feel that that was the answer), or just a coincidence? |
2012-07-09, 17:14 | Link #29591 |
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It would have worked better if it was Kanon and Shannon giving a single riddle. I'm not sure if that can really be seen as a shkanon hint, not like it would change anything anyway.
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2012-07-09, 18:27 | Link #29592 |
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Obviously it was a hint towards Jessiceorge.
Where's the prove that they're really separate people, anyway? I don't know, guys, we've already got precedent for Yasu martyring other people's sins on her own shoulders. What if she's covering up for her lover's split personality bullshit?
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2012-07-09, 20:47 | Link #29593 |
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How could I have missed that?! Kanon and Shannon are just the different personalities that Yasu had to create to be with Jessiceorge and keep loving her/him despite the constant switches!
And that scene in EP4 where you see George and Jessica killing each other clearly symbolises an internal battle between the two personalities over the control of their bodies which concludes in a suicide! In fact those who actually fight against each other in EP6 are indeed George and Jessica! But Yasu since s\he loves her\him so much rather took that burden on herself! It's perfect!
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2012-07-09, 20:48 | Link #29594 | |
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Honestly the whole random quiz game is something that really bothers me the more I think about it in retrospect. It doesn't seem to function as anything really other than a cheap way to resolve plot elements from the other Episodes (And only if you answer the riddle correctly at that). This kind of extends to Bern's game too. They were cool or whatever at the time, but really a large chunk of Episode 8's first half feels like a bit of a waste. |
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2012-07-09, 20:58 | Link #29596 |
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I guess I just kind of feel like that if a plot thread is just going to be resolved in a way like that, then it really makes me wonder why it's in the story to begin with.
Like really, did the Rudolf baby thing matter too much in the grand scheme of things? |
2012-07-10, 02:00 | Link #29598 |
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Sorry to be out of left field, but you guys recall Battler's revival near the end of End, yeah? When he became territory lord and took Erika to stabby-town?
Well, Erika only "lost" that game in the sense that her theory became one of multiple possible theories - a draw, as stated. Her grief there was mostly that she had to change her original theory at all, since she couldn't use Kinzo to remove the First Twilight corpses. ... ... any idea what the heck revision she had made at that point? The only thing we're told about it is that everyone seemed to agree it was "shabby". I also just noticed that Dlanor's announcement about having to prove Kinzo's corpse was in blue, so it was essentially a blue truth stating This blue truth can't be refuted by a red truth!, the logical answer to which is probably lolwut are you even saying? |
2012-07-10, 02:05 | Link #29599 |
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I thought the puzzle section was the most beautiful part of EP8. A way of saying goodbye to all the characters. Their little scenes after each puzzle made me really realise how much I'd grown to love all of them.
I always wondered what Erika's theory about the corpses was too. It was like Ryukishi couldn't think of one or something, so he just didn't include it. |
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