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One thing for me personally that hasn't been consistent in one piece is the relation between Haki and DFs. I don't think Kubi has been that clear about how they work together and when they do and when they don't. Let me rephrase that, Most of the time he probably has been but many times he hasn't. I won't get into this much more than this as this is a Naruto thread. Don't get me wrong, i like one piece more than Naruto in terms of enjoyment but i still think Naruto's story is a bit better ( not by much but still better). Imo One piece beats Naruto in terms of character design while Naruto beats one piece in terms of story. Quote:
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I said that all along :P lol
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2012-07-19, 10:18 | Link #83 |
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there is still a mystery in Naruto which is Kakashi's Mangekyou sharingan
how the hell did Kakashi unlock it? I have this theory that Obito is still alive, and he unlocked his mangekyou sharingan, and since Kakashi's eye and Obito's eye is a pair, Kakashi also gained the Mangekyou sharingan
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2012-07-19, 10:44 | Link #84 |
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No no it's ok, the Tobi identity is a big part of this chapter, I meant that if I was going to make a long in depth answer about it I'd rather use the dedicated thread rather than answer you in this one.
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2012-07-19, 13:50 | Link #86 |
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Apparently in japan the term "god" is very different from our western god. We here have the jewish-christian-muslim idea of god, which is basicly an omnipotent eternal and immortal being, but most importantly its infinite compared to us, it has infinite power and wisdom, etc. So we can't imagine a god being killed because it's impossible by definition. In ancient cultures like in the greek or north mythology the gods were much weaker. An example of that is Thor in recent movies, he is supposed to be an ancient god, but he can be killed. In Shintoism there are many gods, i don't know the details, but my guess is the ideas in Naruto are mainly connected to this sort of religion. I mean a god being some kind of super-animal as it has 10 tails, it being simply a force of nature, and we weren't told anything about it's intelligence. In western culture god is super-intelligent, humans cannot possibly understand that level of thinking, that's the opposite of what we have seen of the 10-tails until now. Someone who knows well Shintoism could probably explain if the 10-tails can be based on something there.
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I've always been intrigued by the fact that Tobi created the Black Zetsu. I think it's a big clue that often gets overlooked. What is the relationship between Tobi and Zetsu? After all, Zetsu is the last remaining Akatsuki member left on the playing field--why? What's the big conspiracy that only Zetsu and Tobi are privy to???? Quote:
That's a really interesting point there. I wonder what the original Japanese said--probably, the 10 tails is some kind of Kami, or spirit--a primordial spirit from whose essence the whole world was made. I kind of imagine putting the ten tails together would equal putting together an immense amount of power--like putting a whole bunch of nuclear energy together. No wonder why it's supposed to harbor the end of the world: its energy is too powerful to have all in one place. What do you guys think?
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2012-07-19, 15:13 | Link #89 | |
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Going by what little I know, I could probably conclude whatever basis in Japanese mythology the Juubi is based on is comparative to Greek mythology's primordial deities, in that it created the way the world is in the Naruto universe...Although by that same account, while one of it's names "Ame no Hitotsu no Kami" suggests, well, it's most literally a one-eyed god, I believe the "god" part is more human/mortal-based as a name, since it's very otherworldly in comparison to any normal human observer...It's other names, with some research, "Datara" (with possible reference to Ippon-datara) and "Daidarabocchi" make it more of a monster, like the Titans or Giants, with it's actions being very destructive and demon-like, and yet still a "creator" of sorts none-the-less...The same "god" classification could be put into debate with the Rikudou Sennin, a mortal savior himself who defeated a deity or otherworldly monster of sorts... When real-life Japanese mythology is incorporated into ninjutsu itself, I almost wonder if there even is a real god/deity of any kind that's worshiped in the Naruto universe...Jashin doesn't count because of a single mad man, however...
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2012-07-19, 19:38 | Link #91 |
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Doubt tobi is obito cause obito didn't seem like a master planner someone who would create an organization/control the mizukage/etc also when kisame saw his face i doubt he knew who obito was. It might be obitos body but someone else controlling it. Also from the time he was removing his mask to show sasuke it looked like he had an aged face more older than kakashi but that could be because of experimenting with jutsus. Also when obito died he didn't seem to have any grudges
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2012-07-20, 01:28 | Link #95 |
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I wonder why Tobi is fighting Naruto in the first place, if an incomplete ten tails is all he needs to achieve his goal. He could have cut tail hours ago, since he already had the tentacle and the chakra from Ginkaku and Kinkaku. Or he could have just started summoning the beast where he is right now at the time when nobody was around.
But again, this can be explained by Cael's theory that Tobi is Obito's father. He has personal issues with both Kakashi and Naruto. He hates the former, because he couldn't protect his son, and the latter, to seek revenge for the death of Obito. I really like this theory.
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2012-07-20, 04:21 | Link #97 | |
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i once read a theory that the mangekyou abilities differ among families, that's why both sasuke and itachi have susanoo and amaterasu. while shisui's mangekyou allowed him to become the most powerful genjutsu user in the clan's history (though i think shisui's ability was simply unique), and kakashi's supposed mangekyou is different as well. the fact that madara can also summon susanoo could mean that he is closely related to itachi's family. i personally think this to be too presumptious since we haven't really seen any other mangekyou users save for sasuke, itachi, madara, shisui and supposedly kakashi. there's very little basis for this theory. though i don't deny this possibility as well. the idea of kakashi having mangekyou has also been debated before. some fans think that his is merely an evolved form of the sharingan and so tobi's ability could merely be something similar to that. kakashi not having truly achieved mangekyou is the most logical explanation for kishi's lack of explanation. mangekyou was supposed to be achieved after killing someone very close to you or bearing the guilt of that death. to my knowledge, kakashi hasn't killed anyone close to him (unless kishi forgot to reveal that little piece of info). someone once said that perhaps kakashi felt guilty for obito's death. then why the heck didn't his mangekyou activate the moment obito died? did his mangekyou wait 12-15 years before activating? i doubt it.
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2012-07-20, 05:43 | Link #98 |
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Didn't Kakashi CALL it the Mangekyou sharingan at one point? Also, too little is known about the Mangekyou to be 100% sure of "how" to activate it, all we know is hearsay. Also, "Kakashi's thing is just an evolved Sharingan"... So it IS a Mangekyou because Mangekyou IS the evolved form of Sharingan. >_>
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kakashi called it that but what does he really know about mangekyou? he's not even an uchiha. mangekyou has been deemed a forbidden ability for so long, i doubt a lot of people in konoha knew about it. if mangekyou is simply an evolved ability then why hasn't everyone tried to achieve it? kakashi's sharingan evolution could simply be something that occurred through extensive training. while mangekyou requires something else. it requires a trigger and that trigger has a very high price, otherwise all sharingan users would have tried to gain it.
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2012-07-20, 08:17 | Link #100 |
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there is no way obito is tobi/madara due to the fact that, in the kakashi gaiden we see the fourth and obito and kakashi at a young age, then obito dies right, then when kushina tells the story of minato vs madara we also see gai and kakashi walking/talking how ever they look older, but not fully grown... and then we see fourth vs tobi and he doesnt look like a person to be kakashi age nor does he sound like it, and the knowledege he contains is overwhelming..
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