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Perfect 10 | 44 | 51.76% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 28.24% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 12.94% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 4.71% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.18% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.18% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-07-28, 01:00 | Link #861 | |
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I think I found the key to the trouble.
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That and judging by how critical you've been of this series in the past, you should have known better. Though I wonder why you seemed to like it early on (7/10 near the beginning episodes, yet 1/10 by season two).
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2012-07-28, 01:06 | Link #862 | |
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I started off reading the K-ON manga back when it first came out and also felt like I had been tricked into reading a manga that wasn't about music at all, but I thought it was pretty cute and felt like it wasn't a dealbreaker. Nowadays I guess I've finished with expecting a music focus from K-ON (I was actually surprised by how many songs were in the movie). One thing I disagree with is that I don't think it's disingenuous to music or musicians. Sure, we never see them practice but at least it's implied that they do, and the songs are simple enough that it's mostly believable that a high school band could play them. As we all know, the practice never gets shown because the target audience doesn't even care (just like in a series focused on music we wouldn't see any tea time). But maybe I'm biased because K-ON happens to resonate with me and inspire me to play (I couldn't wait to pick up my guitar after watching the movie, ha ha).
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2012-07-28, 02:18 | Link #863 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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K-On! was about the "in betweens" (as the author/artist Fred Gallagher of Megatokyo puts it) - those moments in between the big stuff... or in this case often the practice itself or the big performances. When the series first aired, I was sort of hoping for a "song a week" like the Monkees did in their live-action series (new music video most episodes) -- but finally settled in especially after Azusa arrived and added some grit to those moments.
By the end of the franchise, I had indeed gotten quite a pile of songs from the series, from the character CDs, etc. so I can't really complain too much other than it would have been cool to see more of the songs animated. I can't really dispute Reckoner's review because its his subjective assessment after watching the movie. I am, frankly, impressed he watched it because there's no way I'd sit through a couple of hours of, say, Gundam Frolick or Naruto-tastic
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2012-07-28, 03:37 | Link #864 | |||
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2012-07-28, 05:32 | Link #865 | |
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2012-07-28, 07:53 | Link #866 | ||
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I gotta say, it's quite funny that you'd complain about "Engrish" when they did in fact cast native English speakers. They weren't all good actors, I'll say that much, but there was no Engrish. Apart from that of the Japanese characters, of course. Uh-huh. Sure you weren't bound and gagged and had your eylids forced open as well?
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2012-07-28, 08:22 | Link #867 | |
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I will continue to contend that only a qualitative review is truely subjective; a quantitative review requires a set of standardised criteria, and would contribute to my lack of usage. For online poll, such as those found here, the values I give aren't based on a cumulative score based on a set of criteria, but rather, a percentile. For me, 9/10 means "better than at least 90% of things I've seen". |
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2012-07-28, 08:55 | Link #868 |
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@Reckoner - I'm curious as to what exactly you felt made the English people in this movie "weirdos"? I certainly didn't feel like the K-On movie went out of its way to cast the Brits in a bad light. I mean, some anime go full-blown national stereotypes in how they portray the "Gaijin" of various nations, and I didn't see any stereotype like that here. I mean, it's not like they gave the Brits terrible teeth or anything. like that. And I honestly was shocked that they didn't have a scene about tea where the K-On girls' love of tea gets complimented by Brits since, you know, Brits love their tea. So yeah, I felt this movie was much more respectful than most anime productions in how they portrayed people from non-Japanese nations.
Now, I did find it a bit strange that you had a lot of scenes where HTT are speaking 90% (or more) Japanese to the Brits, and the Brits are speaking 100% English back. It's kind of like watching people speak pass one another. It was kind of weird to see this continually go on, and both sides just sort of intuit what the other side meant. I kind of expected the girls to be clinging tightly to an English/Japanese dictionary, and using it to form short, concise (and a bit clunky, but understandable) English sentences. What we got instead was a bit strange, although in fairness I haven't personally dealt with language barriers like this much in life. Is this what you mean by the Brits seeming weird? Because otherwise, I think the movie just presented them as generally mellow, friendly, welcoming people. If anything, I thought it was a pretty positive assessment of the Brits. Anyway, some of your other criticisms I agree with, but those same issues didn't bother me quite as much. Ultimately, how much a person likes the K-On Movie will depend a lot on how much that person likes its characters. This is a very character-focused work - Plot and Setting are occasionally important, but they're not consistently important like Characters are.
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2012-07-28, 10:19 | Link #869 | |
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I have seen this sort of language barrier before. Living in the U.S. border states with Mexico, I've encountered a number of first generation Latino immigrants or residents. They'd sometimes try the English words or phrases they know and then fill in the rest with hopeful Spanish. Only when it becomes clear that I don't have the foggiest notion of what they might be asking for, do they go and get their six year old kid to translate for them. When I was growing up, my father managed an automotive repair shop; and you'd see that sort of "talking past each other" thing on both sides of the counter. My father learned certain Spanish phrases and words, and he'd use a combination of those phrases and English to try to convey a point to Mexican customers in the case the shop's more Spanish-fluent employees were out to lunch, out sick, out test-driving a customer's car, or having a smoke break. So . . . yeah, the interactions between the girls and the natives felt credible to me.
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2012-07-28, 10:31 | Link #870 |
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Well, I was about to post my insights on the movie, but it seems that I have to give my say about some of the things prevailing recently. (you know this).
Well, I have a few friends who actually say the same thing. Please don't take it negatively. "I never got it." This explains everything. Saying something sucks just because you don't understand it is quite "shallow". Plus if you know from the start that you would hate the experience of watching it, then you would do everything to free yourself from the 2 hours of watching some nonsense plotless movie involving cute girls, and their silly antics in some foreign country. Why bother wasting 2 hours of your time? Save yourself the horror. (I almost broke though the door, just to escape from watching Justin Bieber's, Never say Never movie.) It's like having your own flavor preference in ice cream. You could go ahead and rant "vanilla contains lots of fats", and "vanilla is too boring of a flavor", but at the end of the day, it wouldn't change the fact that vanilla is my favorite ice cream flavor. There is no single franchise that will please everybody. That's just the way it is. We all have our own preferences on what is good and what is painful. I do respect your opinion. Doesn't really bother me if you don't like it, because I know people who hates the series. But I have a feeling that you merely focused on the "bad side" of the movie, not recognizing some good aspects in it as well (someone who hates the series typically do). Then again, we both have our preferences, so what may be good to me might be horrible in your perspective. I'm not forcing you to like the franchise, but rather give light to some facts which I think is necessary. Just my 2 cents. I was to give my insights about the movie, but I'll just do it later. Last edited by Night_Music; 2012-07-28 at 10:44. |
2012-07-28, 10:47 | Link #871 |
Gamilas Falls
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It is entirely possible to talk past someone using the same language. All you need is widely different accents and colloquialisms. I've seen a Californian have to translate English to English because it was really Texan accented English to Scottish accented English, in Scotland.
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2012-07-28, 11:10 | Link #872 |
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Reckoner: I am quite curious to know if there were any redeeming points about the movie from your perspective. You maintain that you've "seen worse", but that's hardly a satisfactory response. Again, your review is indicative of a lower score. Since you have given it a 3, I'm now looking for a justification of that: none of that "I've seen worse" business, but rather, what aspect, no matter how trivial, that made the movie a 3 instead of a 1.
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Anyways, I felt the English people throughout the movie either were acting really stupid (Like the sushi guy or the "BRAVOOO" man) or just seemed completely devoid of life. They didn't breath any air into the culture, they didn't even feel like human beings. It was a foreign land, but the movie seemed to forget these are actually people. Quote:
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However I will say that one of the problems I mentioned, which is something I commented on about towards the end of Working!'s second season was that the humor ran past its comedy lifetime (The parts that ever could be amusing to me like Mio's personality to get constantly frightened of things for example which is still being played nonstop in this movie). It was too much of the same IMO. Quote:
I said that I never got what the exact importance of music was to this story. And I still don't, the main story of the franchise being told here could've swapped out the hobby for just about anything and I feel the crux of the enjoyment for most of the fans (As Vexx put it, the "in-betweens") would not have changed. Basically it never relied on it. Yes this is a criticism that has been done to death (Although I think for me it's fair since I was perpetrating this since this show aired a few episodes in), but I still think it's a valid question to ask. Quote:
Above average production values I don't hate the entire cast, I mentioned liking Mio and Azu-nyan. Wasn't downright insulting, just boring. If you're curious what actually would earn a lower score from it's something like the Unlimited Blade Works movie, which calling it a movie in the first place is too kind since it was more a slide show than anything.
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2012-07-28, 18:58 | Link #874 | |
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2012-07-28, 22:22 | Link #875 |
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Being a critic would be a depressing job, given that one would be watching things that don't suit them and walking in expecting this to already be the case I'll stick to analysing dense volumes on determinants of health and complaining about limitations in that: when I'm watching shows, I prefer things that make me happy, and the K-On! Movie does just that
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2012-07-29, 07:36 | Link #876 |
The End of Light
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Yes, critics are "OBLIGED" to read/view etc. the material, even if it would make him vomit halfway through, because it's his job. Not like in this case, where he is "FORCED" to watch it. There's a difference. (btw, I feel that this argument has nothing to do with the issue at hand)
And yes, I'm feeling that this series focused less on "music", and more on the portrayal and presentation of the characters, which in any case, doesn't bother me. It's all a matter of understanding the central idea that the series want to send off to the masses. If it doesn't meet your expectations, then this series is not for you, as simple as that. |
2012-07-29, 12:26 | Link #877 | ||
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2012-07-29, 13:01 | Link #878 |
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O_O I've never seen the need to debate arbitrary rating numbers to such detail. I mean, what's the difference between a 6 and a 8 or an 8 and a 10? Or a 7 and a 8.253532. It's just abstract representations of a feeling. Personally, for me, it works on a tiering scale, so the ones that have provided the highest level of enjoyment get a 10, and we work our way down. But as I see new things, this rating ends up changing even though the anime didn't, so it has its problems. But I don't care-- other people would. What works for one doesn't work for other people. I've long been a proponent of changing the rating scale to letter grades so people would understand it better, but that's just too trivial of an issue, and any extra discussion deserves its own thread.
Though personally, I'd never rate anything a 1 if I managed to complete it unless it was truly offensive or something. I think there's some value in something lasting long enough for you to finish it, in and of itself, though others will disagree. However, this is why I always think nobody should ever feel forced to watch anything. Since entertainment cannot exist with that, the rating must be low no matter how fair one attempts to be. This late in a series, I guess many have a point in knowing what to expect though it's also possible expectations fell through the floor. I just cannot understand taking a sunk cost mindset towards entertainment. However, I will have to accept that people do feel that they have to finish what they started, and just have to respect it. I guess there are also other reasons to watch something (everyone loves Kyoani visual quality, and I might sample it myself despite not being interested in the main series.) A movie tends to work well as a sample; I know someone that watched only the Haruhi movie and not the series, and enjoyed it greatly. And that's arguably the worst way to watch the series. Also, from the nature of the post, Reckoner's post is more of a rant than a review and thus can't be judged accordingly. It's not that great of a review, because it isn't one-- it's a reaction post. If you can't appreciate and understand rants... well let's just say it's just like being unable to appreciate this movie.
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2012-07-29, 13:22 | Link #879 | ||
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2012-07-29, 18:20 | Link #880 |
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I put off seeing the movie for a few weeks, but just finished just now. Did not care much for the story, compared to the TV series, but love the character interaction between the girls. Wish there was more focus on Ritsu, Mio, and Mugi.
Been a while since I saw K-on! Designs look so different from what I remembered, specially Yui 7/10 edit* most popular at MAL: Mio slightly above Yui and than Azu, Ritsu, Mugi
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