2012-08-14, 14:33 | Link #41 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
|
Oda is reinforcing exactly what we readers believe; the supernovas (and by extension the SHs, as well) are still no match by themselves against the might of an emperor+their forces. Of course, this was obvious, but yet there are still some skeptics out there that are not entirely convinced .
__________________
|
2012-08-14, 14:36 | Link #42 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Well, well, well..... it figures I'd see you pop up in this thread sooner or later, grey_1960:
Quote:
Apples and oranges. Blackbeard is a veteran pirate who spent decades in the New World as a part of Whitebear's crew. And it was thanks to his connection with his old crew that he was able to manipulate the events leading up to and after the war. You cannot compare him with the super rookies. Quote:
Quote:
Tsk, tsk.... once again with the baseless conjecture, I see. Knocking out half a fodder army of racist fish-dudes doesn't exactly mean that Luffy is admiral level, y'know. Really, I'd say that the best way to gauge Luffy's strength for ourselves would be to see how well he would fare against a vice-admiral, let alone an admiral. So how about we wait and see how much of a challenge Vergo proves himself to be before we entertain the possibility of Luffy being capable of bitch-slapping Akainu now, shall we? |
|||
2012-08-14, 14:39 | Link #43 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: East Cupcake
|
Quote:
Quote:
That being said, I do agree that alliances are the only way to go. |
||
2012-08-14, 14:52 | Link #44 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Quote:
Quote:
In a recent SBS Oda said that Shanks would have been capable of knocking out Hody's entire army. However, he also noted that the number of opponents knocked out doesn't actually gauge the strength of conqueror's haki. So I think this pretty much boils down to another question of "quality vs quantity" (like, if Shanks knocked out the whole army, would that also include Hody and the officers?). So I still stand by what I say about fodder control not being an important factor in whether or not Luffy is admiral/yonkou level.... |
||
2012-08-14, 15:11 | Link #45 | |
Annie Leonhart
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Indiana
|
Quote:
Black Beard still did it regardless and he is a living proof. He beat the odds and made Yonkou. Black Beard isn't the only one with connections. Luffy has Shanks and Rayleigh. Those are pretty good connections for not being in the New World. You know Oda stories and characters are heavily inspired by real people, culture, history, and events. Black Beard is a real person. Being flat-out suicidal did not stop Luffy from participating in MarineFord War. Also Luffy already has one Yonkou gunning for him Big Mamma. Say what you will about Luffy but I have yet to see Oda challenge him. Second Luffy is using haki all the time, he got training from an expert, and he knows what the Admirals are capable of from first hand experience. I think Luffy's decision to train for two years was based on his experience in Saboday and MarineFord War. It was a hard and humble lesson for Luffy but it gave him a taste of the New World. Personally I think Marine Ford war was a New World experience for Luffy. I believe when Rayleigh trained Luffy, it was so there would be no repeat of Saboday. Luffy is prepared. |
|
2012-08-14, 18:40 | Link #46 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
|
I think Clown is proving to be a pretty good villain so far, his powers are deadly and he is sinister and creepy sort of like Orochimaru (maybe not as creepy as him) but I am curious to see how the big fight will go or if the plan is simply just to capture him without a fight?
__________________
|
2012-08-14, 19:16 | Link #47 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
|
Quote:
|
|
2012-08-14, 20:18 | Link #48 | |
zzz
|
Quote:
You only 'keel over' it seems when someone is squeezing hard on it, or else doing something to it. If it's just in a stationary state, you should be able to move normally.
__________________
|
|
2012-08-14, 21:08 | Link #49 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
|
Quote:
When Smoker's heart was removed why did he fall down unconcious? Why didn't he just keep going like he is now? Is a body switch all that's needed for someone to keep moving without a heart? If so does this apply to Law and Monet as well? Are they switched with someone else? Did Law remove his own and Monet's hearts? If so who revived them when they were unconcious? Did Caesar do it or someone else? |
|
2012-08-15, 09:57 | Link #51 | |
zzz
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2012-08-15, 10:33 | Link #52 |
Absolute Haruhist!
Artist
Join Date: Mar 2006
Age: 37
|
It can simply be that Law squeezed and suffocated Smoker's heart the moment he removed it to cause him to faint and defeat him instantly.
It has always been shown since Law's first fight in Shabondy that the people and body parts he separated can always function normally.
__________________
|
2012-08-15, 15:57 | Link #53 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
I'm still unclear about the confusion with the whole heart business. While I admit that I also raised my share of questions about it when we first saw Law use Mes on Smoker, I pretty much accepted it straight away as soon as we saw Tashigi was able to function normally in an otherwise heartless body. As for why Smokey passed out at that time.... well, my only guess is that it's a "side effect" of sorts of using Mes (so for all we know, Law and Monet could have passed out when they traded hearts, as well).....
Quote:
Grey, I just want you to answer me this one question: If going to war against an emperor were really as simple as you apparently think it is, would you mind explaining exactly why we're seeing the supernovas seeking alliances with each other? Don't you think that they themselves would already be emperors by now if they were really THAT badass by themselves to begin with? Because this whole alliance thing kind of defeats your argument, I think. And we already went over the reasons for Luffy's training before: It was so he'd be strong enough to survive in the New World, not strong enough to conquer it. There's a HUGE difference. Going to war against an emperor right now without proper preparation would basically be like going through Marineford all over again. It's better that he makes as many strong allies as he can so he actually does stand the slightest chance against the NW's rulers..... |
|
2012-08-15, 16:03 | Link #54 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
|
I want to say Kaidou, because for some reason Big Mom would make it too much of a "convenient" coincidence for Luffy (who has to face her eventually). But then again, it wasn't stated that the team up would be happening immediately in the near future did it - it could time up to work out with the future Big Mom/Candy Island arc.
__________________
|
2012-08-15, 17:42 | Link #56 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
|
Quote:
Though I remember seeing an image of Luffy reading a newspaper after his 2 year training session that said Blackbeard had found One Piece and had become Pirate King. |
|
2012-08-15, 18:39 | Link #57 | |
Annie Leonhart
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Indiana
|
Quote:
Answer to your question is common interest or common enemy. Alliances don't always mean they are weak. You can still be strong player and have common interest or a common enemy. Look at White Beard and Shanks they work well together. Shanks intercepted Kaido so White Beard could go save his son. The Marines are always afraid when two Yonkous get together and talk. Question for you, do you think all supernovas are created equal? What is the alliance between Appo, Hawkins, and Kidd about? Do you know which Yonkou Luffy and Law are gunning for? Luffy declared war on Big Mamma over candy dispute and Black Beard brought Ace to the gallows. Luffy is being aired on television to all pirates and shady people. So Big Mamma could has a chance to make an appearance in this arch or the next. Your advice for Luffy about going to war with Yonkous is a little to late. He already declared war on Big Mamma. What will you say if Luffy and Law are going after Black Beard? That will mean Luffy will be taking on two Yonkous. Big Mamma and Black Beard. Has for strength. I think he can take on an Admiral. Can he win, I doubt it. But will he lose I don't think so. Luffy and the Straw hats are ready. Has for training you never train to survive you train to win. |
|
|
|