2012-08-23, 12:01 | Link #81 |
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Itachi was never seen with his MS pattern while using Tsukiyomi until the second time Sasuke was thinking about the night of the Uchiha Massacre during the Valley of the End fight with Naruto. Not showing Tobi's MS pattern even though he uses MS techniques is not the first time this happened.
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2012-08-23, 12:14 | Link #82 |
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Sticking with my original theory
I am sticking with my original theory of Tobi being time/space travelling Sasuke. The eye he just used is actually the same eye as Kakashi's, just taken from him later on in the timeline. This also explains the discrepancies in the hair length. It all makes sense if you think about it. Who else hates the Uchiha clan AND Konoha more?
Obito did not have hate in his heart. He died giving his eye to his best friend. To think he could be twisted so much... I don't think so. Gotta.be.time.travelling.Sasuke.
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2012-08-23, 12:23 | Link #83 |
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I don't remember clearly, but wasn't it also stated that to get EMS you need to take a MS from a close family member (brother, sister, mother, father). Otherwise it wouldn't work.
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2012-08-23, 12:30 | Link #84 | |
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EDIT: I thought I'd clarify something because why not: I fully believe that Tobi is using the exact same Mangekyou Sharingan jutsu Kakashi normally uses in this chapter. It seems to me, based on what's been shown in the manga, that Obito's eyes have a special ability they can use without the Mangekyou Sharingan and another related one that requires it. Normal Sharingan: The ability to transfer one's own body or things directly touching it between the physical world and the other dimension. This is what Tobi has been using every time we've seen him up until this battle. Mangekyou Sharingan ("Kamui"): The ability to transfer things between the physical world and the other dimension without physically touching them, even from a distance. This is what Kakashi has been using since after the time skip. Tobi has already used Kamui during this fight to fire the giant shurikens and stakes (since he clearly wasn't holding those things in his hands before they were transferred). Tobi is indeed showing Kakashi the "real power of Kamui" by using it this way, since Kakashi has only managed to use Kamui to send things to the other dimension, not bring them back. Last edited by Discerptor; 2012-08-23 at 12:56. |
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2012-08-23, 13:05 | Link #86 | ||
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edit: or as someone stated, it could just be a mistake in the writing/artwork. we did see the raikage grow back an arm for 1 chapter after all Quote:
see how silly it gets when you break it down that way? i think you guys are thinking about this too much. along that logic i could state that anytime a MS jutsu was used by anyone without clearly seeing it then it was possible they just used their 'normal sharingan' to perform a MS technique that reasoning unnecessarily complicates things (which kishi has done from time to time like with izanagi and izanami so who knows...) but if you are seeking a reason for tobi not being blind then look no further than his senju dna |
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Izanagi wouldn't make the paper pass through him. It would blow up and damage him but he'd be fine afterwards.
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2012-08-23, 15:51 | Link #91 |
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Guys guys guys! What are you guys even arguing about!
Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi before his Mangekyou was revealed, several chapters afterwards. Kishi showing us a normal sharingan because he isn't ready to reveal the MS yet isn't anything new. |
2012-08-23, 16:14 | Link #92 |
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That's exactly one example of how Kishi always made a big deal of someone turning on his MS eyes. Itachi's eyes were not shown in the manga, one of the biggest mistakes of the anime was that it showed a normal sharingan eye instead, at that time i didn't even notice that but there were some discussions about it on the forums here. Even recently before Madara uses his jutsu it is shown how he turns on his EMS and then his rinnegan. But it's true that this was not always consistent: for example Danzou could cast his genjutsu on the samurai leader even without removing the bandages, while Kakashi always removes his mask when using his sharingan, also it was shown how Tobi removes the part of the mask that covered the other eye which in retrospective made it clear that he began using izanagi just then. Just like in case of Danzou, he removed those large metal things from his arms before using izanagi. I guess it's simply story driven, so for example Tobi removed the mask part because it was a nice hint for the readers that he wants to use the other eye. Then in case of Tobi showing the MS pattern was forbidden by the story, even if it's a plot hole. But it's fun to discuss about these little details Also i think that given the magical powers of 1st hokage's cells we can safely assume that it can magically upgrade the sharingan eyes, especially if Tobi himself tells to Konan that 1st Hokage's DNA + Uchiha DNA results in the Sage of 6 paths.
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Of course, all said and done, I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if Kishi just goofed with that panel. Last edited by Discerptor; 2012-08-23 at 16:33. |
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2012-08-23, 17:52 | Link #95 | |
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Haku never died xD He just got a new Mask and Hairstyle xD NO it is..... Spoiler for Tobi...:
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2012-08-23, 23:15 | Link #99 |
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What if Tobi literally has very little in the way of defining facial features? For all I know, he could be wearing the mask because he practically has no face, and Naruto wants to break that wall of shame...
Poor Tobi just wanted to be left in the shadows
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