2012-08-26, 02:46 | Link #9483 | |
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But poor Gray, I doubt he is worthy of being Natsu's rival anymore and Gajeel stole that position from him... My god! Gajeel is trying to steal the show so that's why Natsu got rid of him!!! |
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2012-08-26, 02:48 | Link #9484 | ||||
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It's the Grand Magic Games. The Wizard Olympics. It's sports.
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OH WAIT NEVERMIND, FREE POWERUPS! Let's cancel out bad writing with more bad writing, and make a hash of some themes in the process! And now it's basically confirmed that things would have been more interesting without the whole "we need training" detour. It just turned a potentially nail-biting fight into an embarrassing cakewalk. The world was given 7 years to catch up, only for FT to jump right over them again with a simple powerup, making the whole venture, if not pointless, at least a huge waste of storytelling potential. Quote:
Actually, I have always found it interesting that second-gen "fake" DS's have no drawbacks, and are even stronger than first-gens from what we've seen. I keep expecting a first-gen advantage to be introduced, but it hasn't happened yet. |
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2012-08-26, 06:30 | Link #9485 | |
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Those 2 chapters just proved Gajeel didn't become more important than he used to be despite the manga focusing on the DS since all he did was tanking some attacks. And his part of the arc may be over. You are overestimating Sting and Rogue by much. I reckon all Fairy Tail S class ninjas could beat them. The best S class candidates (Natsu, Gray, Gajeel) would too. Jura and Yagura would flatten them. |
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2012-08-26, 14:49 | Link #9487 | |
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Now imagine what it would have been like it FT participated as they were from 7 years ago - a constant losing streak, only breakable by either draws or asspull victories, because if people are doubting Natsu's power now, it would have been FAR worse to have him win (by any means) a 1v2 against DF users. |
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2012-08-26, 16:51 | Link #9489 | |
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With that in mind, the tournament events could have unfolded slightly differently mostly the same and still let FT reasonably keep up. If anything, it was weird how little difference Second Origin made at first: Gray didn't show any notable benefit from it; his event would've gone exactly the same without it. Lucy did well against Flare, but lost anyway due to cheating. Natsu would've performed exactly the same in Chariot without it. (Gazille too, if we let the 3-month trainers keep their training.) If we let the 3-month trainers keep their training, Elfman would keep his win. Mirajane didn't need even that to win against Jenny. Pandemonium could've been a proper event instead of Erza sweeping it like a boss. Or she could sweep it anyway, if Gray's theory about her is correct Wendy vs Shellia could arguably go the same, if the world average didn't go up as much. Naval Battle could go the same. Finally, Natsu+Gazille vs Sting+Rogue could be a tougher fight, instead of Gazille being put on a bus and Natsu carrying the day by himself without even using lightning mode. Edit: Oh, and Natsu impressing everyone by barging into Sabertooth's hotel wouldn't make you think "Little do they know, Dobengal could've kicked his ass if it weren't for that powerup." Last edited by MechR; 2012-08-26 at 17:23. |
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2012-08-26, 22:00 | Link #9490 | |
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It would have been nice if Mashima had given this one to Gajeel however the Gajeel fanboys really should have been expecting this since Lucy got hurt instead of Levy so Natsu and his team mates are the ones close enough to Lucy to want to get revenge solo. |
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2012-08-27, 09:21 | Link #9491 |
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^It would've been better if the fight still was one on one. Rouge was not among those who hurt Lucy so his match with Gajeel had nothing to do with it.
Natsu could kick Sting's ass and Gajeel could have kicked Rouge's ass. Everyone would be happy since both characters showed their power and got some air time. But no, author favored the MC. Gajeel got kicked out of the picture all together and Natsu got a double power up which in all honesty doesn't make much sense. I could buy him beating Sting or Rouge alone, but two at once who are considered to be the best in the city and are using power that Natsu only used once by luck? NO! That was cheap and dumb! It was a repeat of the same pattern. I know that Natsu is strong and respected, no need to rub it in my face all the time. Erza actually has same problem. I still can't accept her win over Azuma, it was lame, cheap and over used. Mashima should learn to do some variety in his story. Besides when will their power up wore off? EDIT: Sorry Red boy but I'm still an ultimate Green Queen P.S. My bad, won't swear again
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2012-08-27, 18:20 | Link #9492 |
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Natsu was just stronger and more experienced from the start, and Mashima intentionally overhyped Sting and Rogue. The clues were when Sting would shit bricks each time FT showed their strength in the other contests. If they fought Erza she would have ruined their lives. FT were the strongest 7 years ago and they still are.
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2012-08-27, 18:33 | Link #9493 |
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Some people are saying it was cheap that Natsu won. But Natsu experiences and gets stronger from his defeats. Natsu already lost dozen of times in the story, so it wont be weird for him to get an overwhelming victory at least once.
Erza on other hand has never lost yet.... Now that is cheap.
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2012-08-27, 19:01 | Link #9494 |
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Natsu lost? When? Every big guy was defeated by him.
Gajeel, Laxus, Cobra, Zero, Hades, Jellal... each one! While Gajeel lost to a chicken! I'm not Gajeel fan but he and Juvia got mistreated a lot once they joined FT. Most of the times it is hard to say that they used to be feared because of how easily they get pushed around lately. This fight was probably the only worthy one for Gajeel in like ever. Even Gray had lost yet Erza and Natsu are walking killing machines who steal all the spotlight. Mirajane who got her powers back is still being pushed to the side for most of the time. Mashime could've at least bothered to teach Lucy some martial art tricks so she would not be useless for most of the time.
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2012-08-27, 19:09 | Link #9495 |
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@kitten the problem is Natsu was overmatched and then something happened and he one this was his first true win from start to finish but yea Gajeel and Juvia really get the crappy end especially Gajeel he hasnt won a fight since he joined FT in the manga.
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2012-08-27, 20:43 | Link #9496 | |||
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2012-08-27, 22:16 | Link #9497 | |
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Natsu lost against Zero in their first encounter along with Gray and Lucy. Natsu lost against Gildarts. And he often gets thrown around by Laxus and Erza, though it's not a serious fight but more of a joke. Anyway, Natsu has indeed lost before.
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2012-08-27, 22:28 | Link #9498 |
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dont forget he was stopped by the block guy in the Tower of Heaven also Natsu has won big fights but he also hasnt done anything major on power alone what made this impressive was he did it on power. O also does anybody else think the person who was crying was Yukino the ST girl who got kicked out and was ST's version of Lucy
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2012-08-28, 00:09 | Link #9500 | ||||||||||||
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The bottom line is that if you're going to be blasting people for having power they didn't train to obtain, you can't exempt Laxus just because he was originally given it for health reasons. He still has it, and it still enables him to do things he wouldn't without it. They're wizard, not athletes. The games don't care if their power comes from their training, or from some artifact like Erza Knightwalker's spear that they found on a recent mission, something they bought in a store, or some dangerous ritual to give them a new power, like second origin. All of those things are normal possible power sources for a wizard. Heck, while you're at it, you might as well discount all of Pantherlily's future feats because he stole his current sword, and instantly became more powerful with it. Quote:
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Lucy would have been curb stomped by Flare if she fought without being powered up. Lucy's spirits get stronger when she gets stronger, and Flare was easily able to go 1v1 versus Taurus and Scorpio. Pre-training and Flare would simply tear through the single spirit Lucy was able to summon at a time. Quote:
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The bottom line in all this is that you can't just remove the training, and get the same outcome, only somewhat more difficult to achieve. You have to then change around, and weaken the power level of all the opponents they face to get the same result. Quote:
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Leon Aria Fukurou (owl dude) Jellal (needed Etherion) Laxus (needed Gajeel) Cobra Zero (needed Jellal) Faust (needed Gajeel and Wendy) Gildarts Ultear Bluenote Hades (needed entire team, plus Laxus) Really, Natsu's been owned plenty of times. It just doesn't make him emo, or make him question his life, or shake his confidence in himself, or serve as the reason for special training. Natsu knows there are people out there stronger than him. He knows that sometimes you win, and sometimes you don't, either because they were stronger, surprised you with something, or so forth. And he generally adheres to "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again." Within reason of course, it's not like he's challenging Laxus, Erza, and Gildarts on a daily basis. As for your list of big guys, Gajeel wasn't the strongest enemy in Phantom Lord, that was Jose. Jellal he had to use a desperation measure of eating Etherion that left him sleeping for days afterwards. Laxus he couldn't beat himself and he knows it, Cobra was poised to finish him off before Brain intervened, Zero he again needed help to beat, Hades being dealt the final blow by Natsu does not mean that Natsu beat him, the entire team beat him. |
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