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Shadow5YA · 2012-08-25, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

Chisato is your common tsundere osananajimi. Satsuki is much better

The osanajimi usually loses in competition though. I want Chisato to win just out principle to break the mould.

Arya · 2012-08-25, 17:45

About Chisato I agree with Triple_R comment, because she looks like a tsundere, but doesn't act like one. It's like her past had constrained her tsundere side, so now she is not acting like she should. Or something like that. And it worked for me if she hadn't even the osananajimi factor.
Because I usually don't like osananajimi characters for the kind of develop they tend to have with the MC, or not have. They rely mostly on past events to justify their bond with the MC, past that ends to look more like and expedient than a real development. On the other hand, since the bond is already set, the current development feels static.
IIRC one of the few osananajimi I liked is Ritsuko from Sakamichi, but that series is totally different in genre and in quality, as long as it lasted (I dropped it halfway

)

And that's why I prefer Satsuki over Chisato. Not because I dislike Chisato, but because Satsuki/Oojima relationship seems to grow little by little, Chisato/Oojima seems to be stuck in a cycle of cliché. For that reason I liked Chisato in this episode, because she surprised me with her straightforwardness.

Having said that I agree that this show is doing very well in not showing any leading girl so far. Mashifoni on that regard was misleading.

Spoiler for Mashifoni turn point:

NoemiChan · 2012-08-25, 21:04

Freebies!!!

Nachtwandler · 2012-08-26, 01:06

OK. Someone here said that osananajimi never won in VN adaptations. Here's some list. But one note. For me personally sisters(blood-related or not) are the same as osananajimis so you could count them too

I didn't count onece I didn't watched, otome and once without main romance.

Legend:

Osananajimi won
Sister won
Osananajimi won in one of the arcs or you could count winner as one or there are some issues
No osananajimis in the story
Noone won/open ending/there's additional ending for osananajimi but still
Osananajimi lost

Spoiler for Title list:

MasterVampire · 2012-08-26, 01:44

Why wont the MC touch Chisato?

At least she called him out on it but got no answer

NoemiChan · 2012-08-26, 01:51

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Originally Posted by MasterVampire

Why wont the MC touch Chisato?

At least she called him out on it but got no answer

I think he would have decided to answer her but the other guy(?) disturbs the chance.

hyl · 2012-08-26, 05:14

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Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

OK. Someone here said that osananajimi never won in VN adaptations. Here's some list. But one note. For me personally sisters(blood-related or not) are the same as osananajimis so you could count them too

I didn't count onece I didn't watched, otome and once without main romance.

Legend:

Osananajimi won
Sister won
Osananajimi won in one of the arcs or you could count winner as one or there are some issues
No osananajimis in the story
Noone won/open ending/there's additional ending for osananajimi but still
Osananajimi lost

Spoiler for Title list:

Most of it depends on if the osananajimi is considered to be the main/canonical heroine in the original story. While some adaptations deviated from this, most of those adaptations still follow what they think is the most canonical of all the heroines.

Xaturas · 2012-08-26, 05:47

^^
That colors it kills my eyes.

As for the list Green Green, great anime I recommend to anyone, one of the greatest laughs I had from anime. Especially bear rape scene.

Nachtwandler · 2012-08-26, 06:38

hyl

Still. People saying that "osananajimi never wins". The list says quite opposite. And the only case there osananajimi rout could be count as "canonical" but it was changed in anime which I could remember is Shuffle

hyl · 2012-08-26, 07:13

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Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

hyl

Still. People saying that "osananajimi never wins". The list says quite opposite. And the only case there osananajimi rout could be count as "canonical" but it was changed in anime which I could remember is Shuffle

I could nitpick and debate on some of your choices in your list (like for example in the EF series there weren't any choices to pick a different heroine or some of your choices aren't exactly osananajimi) and added some more series that the childhood friend lost, but that would be somewhat off topic.

Nachtwandler · 2012-08-26, 07:35

Of cause I didn't watch all the adaptations but still this list is somehow more than "never".

Xaturas · 2012-08-26, 08:27

Acording to AniDB there are 1426 titles that contain "romance" tag.
You don't expect us to bring out each and every one of them.
In some titles one person wins in other title its the other. However there is no disadvantage or some bias. There are sometimes favors in one type of romance, but its mostly based on whats popular at that time. Then there also comes the factor of what you personally like to watch.
Anyway as it is, anyone can win in this anime as long as its Satsuki or Chisato as every star on sky tells us that only those 2 are actually put in the race. Other girls got sidetracked long time ago, and unless producers want to change usual story telling, it will end with one of those 2 winning, or just generic harem ending without any resolution to romance.

hyl · 2012-08-26, 08:59

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Originally Posted by Xaturas

Acording to AniDB there are 1426 titles that contain "romance" tag.
You don't expect us to bring out each and every one of them.
In some titles one person wins in other title its the other. However there is no disadvantage or some bias. There are sometimes favors in one type of romance, but its mostly based on whats popular at that time. Then there also comes the factor of what you personally like to watch.
Anyway as it is, anyone can win in this anime as long as its Satsuki or Chisato as every star on sky tells us that only those 2 are actually put in the race. Other girls got sidetracked long time ago, and unless producers want to change usual story telling, it will end with one of those 2 winning, or just generic harem ending without any resolution to romance.

And less than 10% of those titles are based off VN's or eroge (which was the main point of Nachtwandler's discussion).

I disagree that only Chisato and Satsuki has most chance here, because it's still possible that the anime might be going for Mifuyu.

Dorsai · 2012-08-26, 09:08

Nachtwandler omg be serious, never wins is impossible... Still rarely wins is enough to be argument in this discussion... And you are doing list of 20,30 titles out from few thousand, really? This way you can prove everything, because it was your subjective way which titles will you choose and which not...

Anyway it really doesnt matter... People never learn that in visual novel adaptations wining girl should never be chosen based on popularity or canonical choices... Love never should be chosen this way... In Koi to Senkyo bond between Chisato and Yuuki is really sth special, i watched thousands of manga and anime romances and rarely saw sth like this... Thats why breaking it would be sth i will not forgiven...

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BladeEntity: Except that in VN adaptions childhood friends almost never win, in others they get the MC more often but in this one its still a throw up.

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Nachtwandler: I could easily make a list. They win in most of the cases.

Discussion not started with only VN adaptions... But even if you talk about only them if you want to prove anything you cant make just subjective list. You need to either make list wirth all of VN adaptations or use one of statistic tools (check sample etc)

Nachtwandler · 2012-08-26, 09:16

Dorsai

Discussion was about VN-adaptations(and it's about 70% of finished non-otome and non-hentai VN adaptations in the list). But if we look on manga/LN adaptations with finished loveline I'm sure situation would be the same. It's not so rare case.

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Originally Posted by hyl

I disagree that only Chisato and Satsuki has most chance here, because it's still possible that the anime might be going for Mifuyu.

Isara has more chances than Mifuyu IMO

Haak · 2012-08-26, 09:20

Here's hoping for a surprise OojimaxMatsuri pairing.

hyl · 2012-08-26, 09:20

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Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

Isara has more chances than Mifuyu IMO

Based on the things we have seen in the anime so far, no.

Eventhough i would have prefered that the anime went for Isara, because she was my favorite heroine in the game.

Dorsai · 2012-08-26, 09:20

Its just your subjective interpretation in this list. Like hyl write some of girls arent exactly osananajimi and you cant count normal sister/brother relationship as osananajimi (it doesnt matter if blood-related or not)...

Anyway like i said it really doesnt matter, because love isnt sth like popularity contest...

Xaturas · 2012-08-26, 09:27

^^
Ummmm what's stoping Yuuki being friends with Chisato while he will be banging some girl in his room? All he needs is a fix for that hole in th wall so Chisato won't see him humping some girl but just listen to it.

Being friends is one thing, loving someone is another. They do have a bond but frankly he doesn't seem much in love with her atm. For me its more like regret and friendship, regret about her brother issue and friendship because they are childhood friends.

Mifuyu chances are slim at best imo, all girls besides the 2 I brought, got so little romantic development that its funny. They have as much chance in this anime as yaoi stick boy.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-08-26, 09:27

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Originally Posted by hyl

I disagree that only Chisato and Satsuki has most chance here, because it's still possible that the anime might be going for Mifuyu.

We'll see if they would still continue with that letter, but it feels to me like they're just getting it out of the way, kinda like the whole Isara bullying scenes.

Still, I've been burned before...Twice... With half of the series left to go, I'm not ready to call anything definitive yet.

2012-08-25, 17:45	Link #762
Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	About Chisato I agree with Triple_R comment, because she looks like a tsundere, but doesn't act like one. It's like her past had constrained her tsundere side, so now she is not acting like she should. Or something like that. And it worked for me if she hadn't even the osananajimi factor. Because I usually don't like osananajimi characters for the kind of develop they tend to have with the MC, or not have. They rely mostly on past events to justify their bond with the MC, past that ends to look more like and expedient than a real development. On the other hand, since the bond is already set, the current development feels static. IIRC one of the few osananajimi I liked is Ritsuko from Sakamichi, but that series is totally different in genre and in quality, as long as it lasted (I dropped it halfway ) And that's why I prefer Satsuki over Chisato. Not because I dislike Chisato, but because Satsuki/Oojima relationship seems to grow little by little, Chisato/Oojima seems to be stuck in a cycle of cliché. For that reason I liked Chisato in this episode, because she surprised me with her straightforwardness. Having said that I agree that this show is doing very well in not showing any leading girl so far. Mashifoni on that regard was misleading. Spoiler for Mashifoni turn point: I just remembered that in Mashifoni the turn point was a bath scene where the MC acted not so happy as he should have. Anyways there's no correlation. Until anything changes, Chisato is still leading the group for me. __________________ *The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.*

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Nachtwandler Yurifag Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine / Barcelona, Spain Age: 36	OK. Someone here said that osananajimi never won in VN adaptations. Here's some list. But one note. For me personally sisters(blood-related or not) are the same as osananajimis so you could count them too I didn't count onece I didn't watched, otome and once without main romance. Legend: Osananajimi won Sister won Osananajimi won in one of the arcs or you could count winner as one or there are some issues No osananajimis in the story Noone won/open ending/there's additional ending for osananajimi but still Osananajimi lost Spoiler for Title list: 11 Eyes - osananajimi won Air - there's no osananajimis here Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka - non blood-related sister Amagami SS - all won once )))(there are one osananajimi and one that could count as her) Clannad - yeah, Nagisa is not an osananajimi and kotomi didn't win but where are alternative ending for Kyo D.C.: Da Capo - non blood-related sister D.C.if: Da Capo if - osananajimi D.C. II: Da Capo II - Koko got some in S1 but the final choice is unresolved(still beetween two cousins) Ef - a Tale of Memories - osananajimi(Key) lost but got another guy Ef - a Tale of Melodies - one osananajimi(Yuuko) won upon another(Nagi) Fortune Arterial: Akai Yakusoku - yeah, osananajimi lost here but theres almoust no ending in anime Green Green - there's no osananajimis here H2O: Footprints in the Sand - there's no osananajimis here Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi - yeah, osananajimi(Madoka) lost here Interlude - one osananajimi won upon two others(if you could count such ending) Kanon - osananajimi won Kimi ga Aruji de Shitsuji ga Ore de - there's no osananajimis here(only sister) Kimi ga Nozomu Eien - osananajimi won KimiKiss Pure Rouge - osananajimi won Lamune - osananajimi won(if such ending counts) Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai!! - noone won Mashiro-iro Symphony: The Color of Lovers - there's no osananajimis here Myself; Yourself - osananajimi won(but in fact all heroins could be count as once) Nanatsu-iro Drops - there's no osananajimis here Oretachi ni Tsubasa wa Nai - all of them won, or noone, or sister(you could choose any of theese options) Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru - actually noone won School Days - actually noone won Shuffle! - yeah, osananajimi lost while in VN Kaede's ending were ending by default Shukufuku no Campanella - they exclude romance from here Soul Link - osananajimi(Nao) won. Sayaka could be compared to one too Steins;Gate - you could count that osananajimi(Mayuri) lost but she had none romantic interest for Okabe in anime Tayutama: Kiss on my Deity - yeah, osananajimi lost Tears to Tiara - there's no osananajimis here True Tears - osananajimi won(but it's not a VN adaptation, just formally one) Tsuki wa Higashi ni Hi wa Nishi ni: Operation Sanctuary - osananajimi won Tsuyokiss Cool x Sweet - noone won Utawarerumono - there's no osananajimis here White Album - osananajimi won(somehow) Wind: A Breath of Heart - osananajimi won Yoake Mae Yori Ruriiro na - osananajimi won(at least Fiina could count as one too) Yosuga no Sora - all won(or sister won if you count Sora's arc as "true") Yotsunoha - osananajimi won

2012-08-26, 05:47	Link #768
Xaturas Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	^^ That colors it kills my eyes. As for the list Green Green, great anime I recommend to anyone, one of the greatest laughs I had from anime. Especially bear rape scene. __________________

2012-08-26, 08:27	Link #772
Xaturas Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	Acording to AniDB there are 1426 titles that contain "romance" tag. You don't expect us to bring out each and every one of them. In some titles one person wins in other title its the other. However there is no disadvantage or some bias. There are sometimes favors in one type of romance, but its mostly based on whats popular at that time. Then there also comes the factor of what you personally like to watch. Anyway as it is, anyone can win in this anime as long as its Satsuki or Chisato as every star on sky tells us that only those 2 are actually put in the race. Other girls got sidetracked long time ago, and unless producers want to change usual story telling, it will end with one of those 2 winning, or just generic harem ending without any resolution to romance. __________________

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Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Here's hoping for a surprise OojimaxMatsuri pairing. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

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NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	Freebies!!!

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MasterVampire Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010	Why wont the MC touch Chisato? At least she called him out on it but got no answer

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Nachtwandler Yurifag Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine / Barcelona, Spain Age: 36	hyl Still. People saying that "osananajimi never wins". The list says quite opposite. And the only case there osananajimi rout could be count as "canonical" but it was changed in anime which I could remember is Shuffle

2012-08-26, 07:35	Link #771
Nachtwandler Yurifag Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine / Barcelona, Spain Age: 36	Of cause I didn't watch all the adaptations but still this list is somehow more than "never".

2012-08-26, 09:20	Link #778
Dorsai Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Poland Age: 38	Its just your subjective interpretation in this list. Like hyl write some of girls arent exactly osananajimi and you cant count normal sister/brother relationship as osananajimi (it doesnt matter if blood-related or not)... Anyway like i said it really doesnt matter, because love isnt sth like popularity contest... __________________

2012-08-26, 09:27	Link #779
Xaturas Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	^^ Ummmm what's stoping Yuuki being friends with Chisato while he will be banging some girl in his room? All he needs is a fix for that hole in th wall so Chisato won't see him humping some girl but just listen to it. Being friends is one thing, loving someone is another. They do have a bond but frankly he doesn't seem much in love with her atm. For me its more like regret and friendship, regret about her brother issue and friendship because they are childhood friends. Mifuyu chances are slim at best imo, all girls besides the 2 I brought, got so little romantic development that its funny. They have as much chance in this anime as yaoi stick boy. __________________