2012-09-21, 08:20 | Link #102 | |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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Hurting a real child at any point in the process? I'll be standing right there with a bat. A piece of paper? The bat is for the idiot trying to call it child abuse. Ishihara is particularly disgusting because he's author of written fiction depicting underage abuse and rape. It just illuminates either his stupidity or cynicism, never sure which My hypothesis is that anime/manga competes with written fiction and that's his underlying beef (couple with the usual "nationalist hysteria of society rotting"). Heh, and yes I've had retards try to equate my attraction to small, petite women as "pedo". Except... I find pre-pubescent girls to be utterly unsexy. Cute? yes. Worth protecting from scum? yes. ..... sexy? Not at all. (and actually, I've got a wide range of women I find attractive so retarded comments get even more ridiculous). Fundamentally, the attempt to equate fictional writing, drawing, or creation of *pretend* children to the horror of abusing *real* children just completely demeans real children and wastes resources that could be used to protect them. I'll say it again, its just a flag to me that the purveyor of such nonsense is irrational and possibly a walking closet of rattling skeletons themself. If you ban fictional works, it also bans the possibility of telling stories that portray the consequences of such behavior. The classic book "Lolita" was not a "happy story", it was a story showing how complicated things can get.
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2012-09-21, 09:44 | Link #103 |
Nyaaan~~
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 41
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@Dr. Casey - Don't do it! It's a trap! /Admiral Akbar
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Re: Pornography (incl. drawn images) I wanted to reiterate my previous comment -- I will also state upfront so that there's no confusion. I'm not a prude and I don't want anyone to take my pr0ns away! Studies have apparently shown: 1) Being exposed to explicit erotic images desensitizes people to images of violence - ie. Being shown pornography then being shown violent footage results in decreased mental responses 2) Being exposed to large quantities of explicit pornography has been shown to result in ED and impotence in young males (happening in either Italy or Spain), due to normal females not being stimulating enough in comparison Obviously these points above are talking about erotica in general, not specifically "child porn" which is the topic. It's just something interesting to keep in the back of your minds when we talk about this topic and others in general. We all want what we want and detest what we find disgusting. What actually gets regulated vs. what actually remains "free and open" depends on our societal values.. But never forget, what we *think* is okay.. might actually not be.. Remember that most narcotics as well as tobacco and other things that were all once thought to be "okay" |
2012-09-21, 11:13 | Link #105 | ||
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: The Neverlands
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Late to this party but like to quote something a few pages back
Added emphasis that these aren't Seiji's words but the 'scientist' whom he quoted Quote:
I wonder if this doctor is reminded that when WE were teenagers, we often had someoneone at home taking care of us (and no, that wasn't a paid babysitter) "Loving relationships"? How can they be taught when today there's nobody home? I'm seeing just a little more mutual love coming from today's parents than I can find in porn movie
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2012-09-21, 11:30 | Link #106 | |
Also a Lolicon
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I think there is a causal relationship between more porn and less sex crime.
There are a lot of variables and things to consider, but every time we see porn go up, we see sex crime go down. Not just in Japan either, but across the world, in culture and situations that share little with Japan's with the except of an increase in porn and a decrease in sex crime. Not very strong basis for causal, but I think there is some there. Quote:
So, "Japan is safe because of porn" is pretty shaky, but I would be confident saying that "Japan is relatively safer with porn than it would be without." |
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2012-09-21, 15:16 | Link #107 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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2012-09-21, 15:41 | Link #108 |
Deadpan Snarker
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: The Neverlands
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Now we're getting into the debate of prostitution and porn allowing women to walk the streets at night
I've found myself getting off target as well, shall we get back to the topictitle? Definition: Child pornography = media formats depicting underage children in sexual 'situations' the grey area is the 'situations', if I were to have stated 'acts' we wouldn't be having this conversation best 'controversial point': Are teen idol mags CP? If 'yes' are the promotional vacation resort brochures depicting children in bikinis (or less) also CP? How about child fashion advertisments using real life models? Documentaries of African villages? Certain sports (Athletic/Olympian stuff/cheerleading?)
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2012-09-21, 16:11 | Link #109 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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If you go that way, why not anatomy book? painting? I askey once on this forum that was the difference betweem Erotic and Pornographic, the discution it sparked was interesting. The difference betweem the 2 is most likely meaningless in this discution but the font is still good; before being ''child'' pornography, the material is logicaly pornographic.
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2012-09-21, 16:32 | Link #110 | |
Also a Lolicon
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1.a) Some people argue that the girls in said magazines aren't treated well. That is a problem, but it isn't a child porn problem, its a working conditions problem and is best fixed with better regulation, not censorship. 2. Child fashion adverts have fully clothed children. Same as above. Point "a" may also apply. 3. Now for the second thing at porn requires, intent. The naked people requirement is met, but the intent is not to turn people on, but rather to educate. Anatomy textbooks aren't porn, neither are documentaries. 4. Can't see private parts, not porn. Also, most of the time, not intended to be used as fap material. 5. I'll add this since you didn't mention it and someone eventually will. Simulated CP (e.g. loli) is not CP. Yes, its porn, but it doesn't feature children, it features characters. Children are young members of H. sapiens, characters are fictional objects often based on them. |
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2012-09-21, 16:52 | Link #111 | |
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Spoiler for Slightly out of topic to answer Random32 and Anime Review:
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2012-09-21, 19:39 | Link #113 | |
うるとらぺど
Join Date: Oct 2004
Age: 44
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But let's get back to the story at hand namely the punishment in regards to child sexual exploitation. As I had point out, the punishment meted out for membersog what is perhaps a major production and distribution ring of the Kansai Enkou videos seems pretty minor in 2005 The main camera man/director/actor gets 10 million yen fine and jailed 15 years. 3 of his crew members who also participated in the filming get 6-7 years jail time. Very much piecemeal for Yakuzas. If such incidents in the west, I believe those 4 will cease to exist and never heard of again. The law, in a way, is a reflection of what is tolerated in a society. And I take note that today, the Japanese ask for a rewrite of the law, enforcing stiffer punishment. But the Japanese is never known for being straight forward with their private-public face thingie, thus I will take their reprted sendiments with a pinch of salt. |
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