2012-09-21, 19:54 | Link #281 |
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Well, even without conscription, the JGSDF still has the right to make some catchy advertising for careers in the forces. Speaking of samurai spirit, I guess one director might find some idea to link the samurai with the modern day soldier just like the chivalry part that was emphasized in one of the Marines' ads in the past.
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2012-09-21, 20:35 | Link #284 | |
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And if Japan does gain ability to conscripts it would mean Japan is more of a sovereign nation.
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2012-09-21, 20:37 | Link #285 | |
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Um, yes.
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Conscription is most certainly going to be considered war potential. The Japanese in forging the JSDF and arming it to the current extent has already pushed the limits of the Article to a near-breaking point, and there are those within Japan who already consider the current JSDF outright unconstitutional. |
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2012-09-21, 21:01 | Link #286 |
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I remember the Communists saying that they want to phase out the SDF if they get in power and if conditions in EA allow for that to happen.
Meanwhile, the IBT reports of concerns that Chinese tourists may decline due to the riots.
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2012-09-21, 21:10 | Link #287 | |
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Not the far-left, i.e. communists. Those can rot where they stand anyways.
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2012-09-21, 21:28 | Link #288 | |
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Also, I'm not so certain a return of WW2-era "samurai ferocity" would really be a good thing. War is an ugly business, no matter how it may be romanticized after the fact. Just look at Okinawa. Those "samurais" used civilians as shields, pillaged and raped the local population, ordered civilians to commit mass suicide in the face of advancing Allied forces, not exactly what I'd call positive traits, and is probably best if it's kept in the history books. Just like the Allied forces weren't knights in shiny armors, the IJA were hardly the honor-bound samurais in folklore. |
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2012-09-21, 21:46 | Link #290 | |
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Being the first of Japan's home territory to be invaded however, as far as the IJA was concerned they were honor-bound to defend it to the last man, and they almost did. Their other goal was to try to inflict so much casualty that the Allies would decide against invading the Japanese mainlands. Ironically they did achieve this goal in the end with their efforts culminating in Okinawa, though I'd say it was not in a manner they expected. |
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2012-09-21, 22:10 | Link #291 | |
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Samurai were officially no more since 1877.
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I wouldn't want to see Japan use WWII as an example about the code of conduct if something was to be used in training new recruits arriving from partial conscription or from voluntary enlistment (if done thanks to ads as it's done in Canada, the US and the UK). Going to the 1880's modern bushidō should be enough as much as the German Bundeswehr retained their finest traditions that were not stained by the Nazis. |
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2012-09-21, 22:24 | Link #292 | |
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General Kuribayashi was a whole different breed from his contemporaries and so were the men under him. AFAIK, General Kuribayashi was ordered to stand and die at Iwo Jima, fighting to the last men. But Kuribayashi also know Japan was fighting a losing war from the start based on his time in America. The men under him was civillians conscripted quite late in life, most were already fathers. But a directed order could not be disobeyed, so he devianted a bit from the usual tactics which calls the soldiers to go out with a bang. What did he do, he told the men to evacuate the civillians at Iwo Jima first, had them digged out a vast tunnel network underground and tell them to never give up, don't do suicide attacks and keep fighting till the last breath using hit-and-run attacks. That's the "Samurai Ferocity" I referring to here. Don't waste your life and defend your homeland tii you drop dead. WWII GIs at Iwo Jima had a immerse respect for surviving Iwo Jima vets. |
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2012-09-21, 22:39 | Link #293 |
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Well that and from my understanding, Japanese propaganda basically made it looks like death was preferable to capture by the Americans...particularly the Marines. Demons that brutalize, rape, and eat you alive I believe was some of the propaganda being spread in the months leading up to Iwo Jima and Okinawa. It was those battles that lead the Allies to believe that if they invaded Japan there would be millions dead, with more of them being Japanese that either fought to the death, or comitted suicide to evade capture by the invading demons.
Thus the Atomics were used. Something worse than demons...the actual fires of hell itself. Be it that Japan was going to surrender already or not doesn't change what was going though the heads of the American military commanders after seeing what happened on Okinawa.
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2012-09-21, 22:46 | Link #294 | |
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Oh yes, and that bureaucracy. Three lives again this year, and it is only sensible to note that these heatstrokes only start to occur in the recent years when we changed out a new load-bearing vest that covers everything and traps all the heat. And that crap gun. Oh yes that crap gun that never works after a humid waterborne raid, funny selector positions, overweight, impossible to 99% clean and explodes after wading through mud. And if your enemy is just round the corner you are dead because there is no bayonet mount. Given how the Japanese does things similarly, the conscription is more likely than not going to turn out the way of SAF's. The Samurai Ferocity will never be seen again - just a bunch of people who drop their guns and run, or simply resigned to the fate that their operations will never turn out fine.
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2012-09-22, 01:42 | Link #298 |
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This getting of topic anyway .....guess the lesson learned in saipan and importantly in Iwo Jima is
“When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.” WW II is a very dark chapter in human history .....the researched and reference material that i read its depressing |
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In connection to the issue at hand: What irks me the most of this issue is how the Japanese ultranationalists are not doing much against the current show of utter disrespect by PRC while ranting about Koreans. |
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Still, if the JSDF want to have more people serving under the flag either as temporary conscripts or career people, I guess it would be logical their PR would try using something catchy that would also respond the needs of the new generation. I only brought the example of Bushido because that COULD BE something catchy (that's only my humble opinion). For example in Canada, it's about using someone's skills that are attained in college into a career (like someone who graduated in music could become sonar operator on a frigate). And in the US, the emphasis is on defending a way of life (you should watch examples of ads for the Marines on youtube; they have the budget to make them catchy). That's it for the off-topic part. Quote:
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