2012-10-06, 19:28 | Link #1142 |
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Obama and Democrats raise record funds, poll holds steady
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89509B20121007
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2012-10-07, 07:27 | Link #1144 | |
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Even in Europe, where there's universal Healthcare, there are still private alternatives if you're willing to shell out extra money. So there isn't a true monopoly. And I think it's better for it. However, I still don't think doctors should be expected to act like businessmen. They have enough on their plates as it is. |
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2012-10-07, 08:17 | Link #1145 | |
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Private alternatives in Europe often involve niche products like cosmetic surgery, luxury dental plans, sports-care, fast track access for employees etc. Market experiments in Switzerland and the Netherlands in terms of privatized health insurance have led to cost explosions without any significant improvements in terms of care provided. |
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2012-10-07, 10:35 | Link #1146 | |
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Apparently I've been told Singapore has an amazing healthcare system (which one of the SG natives can attest to) which is FIRMLY controlled by the state. |
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2012-10-07, 10:53 | Link #1148 |
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According to wikipedia? >5 million -- I get the implied point, they're smaller population wise and geographically, the logistics and bureaucracy is MUCH smaller. They are also a unitary state. I get it.
My insinuation, is you can keep medical costs under control, to an extent, by capping returns. They do it here in Canada. Yes, I'm a capitalist and I work in finance, but the income-elasticity of doctors already making >US$250K a year is pretty flat |
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There are a lot of problems with our system, but a big one is that we rely on insurance for everything. Think about it: does your car insurance come into play whenever you have routine maintenance done on your vehicle? Do you utilize your homeowner's insurance whenever you renovate your house? No to both, and yet when you visit the doctor for a routine checkup or purchase some basic prescription drugs, your insurance comes into play. Why? I don't know enough about the business side of medicine to say whether people choosing to self-pay and use their health insurance only for major incidences would lower costs all around (although I do know that doctor's offices hate having to go after uninsured people to get them to pay up). It's an interesting consideration all the same. Quote:
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By comparison, Romney was very fluid, spoke passionately and never stumbled, and seemed to critique Obama's plans while promoting his own. He seemed much more energetic, informed, and passionate compared with Obama. His debate performance was really exceptional. I actually found myself agreeing with Romney throughout much of the debate, which was puzzling to me. Others have pointed out the reason already: he flipped his stances. He's been espousing a strict conservative view leading up to the debates, but during the debate he made a hard shift toward the center. What is his true view, and what is he really going to do? I honestly couldn't tell you. I'm looking forward to the next few debates either way.
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2012-10-07, 12:43 | Link #1150 |
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It does bring up a question: Did Romney move to the right to get the candidacy and then moved to his "true" position, or has he moved to the center to get elected? With McCain we did see a record of centralist positions, but with Romney, I don't quit see it.
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2012-10-07, 13:15 | Link #1151 |
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I think ... the answer is no one really knows. There doesn't seem to be a "Romney" in there - just an empty suit who goes with whatever seems to leave him wearing the Big Hat the longest.
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2012-10-07, 15:03 | Link #1153 |
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Here's a nice Video of Mittens debating Sir Romney. But yeah, debate theater wise, President Obama needs to be more assertive and go through Romney's attacks line by line. Something like Bill Clinton did in the DNC.
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2012-10-07, 16:17 | Link #1154 | |
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Robert Gibbs: Mitt Romney's Budget Math Is 'Absolutely Crazy'
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2012-10-07, 16:39 | Link #1155 | |
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Saturday Night Live was taking huge shots at Obama for losing the debate. They did also poke "Mittens" on his facts and reversal of position though but Obama pretty much "wasn't there" according to them. And if I recall, SNL has always leaned pretty .. well, left isn't the right word, although there would be people that argue against me on that point .. they're less likely to put up with any B.S. of any sort. |
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2012-10-08, 03:35 | Link #1157 |
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Some of these ads are ridiculously melodramatic, but unfortunately the target audience don't seem to mind as long as it is for his/her party's cause, Democrats and Republicans alike.
Btw, just caught up to Colbert Report and Daily Show from last week's edition. The way Colbert and Stewart were ripping into Obama was hilarious. It was especially hilarious when they played Mr. Potato Head's (ala Chris Mathews) take on the debate. That guy is so over the top that he is always a guaranteed source for entertainment. His message still stands that Obama blew it big time. Obama could have finished it all for Romney in that debate instead of giving the GOP party faithful a last chance at grasping at straws with that performance. Obama could have gone for the jagular. I forgot who brought this up when it was pointed out that the debate highlights Obama's biggest weakness: He is not an effective communicator when the occasion demands it. One of the biggest example given was how he handled the entire Obamacare debacle after it was passed. He better not be missing his mark this time around because Chris Mathews will be keenly watching. We may also see an unleashed Biden this Thursday which is sure to be hell of an entertainment all in itself. Man... I love our elections.
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2012-10-09, 15:18 | Link #1158 |
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What a turnaround!
Looks like the polling in swing states is just within margin of error... some are outright gains for Team Romney!
http://www.freep.com/article/2012100...gan-poll-shows http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...o-and-colorado http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...-debate-period http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/ro...gn=syndication http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/...s-obamas-lead/ ....... I remember posting something about voter enthusiasm gap like months ago... http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbcs-chuc...for-democrats/ In short, it's real and is (still) a real problme for Team 0bama. Last edited by flying ^; 2012-10-09 at 15:30. |
2012-10-09, 15:29 | Link #1159 |
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What did I say? Performing poorly in the first debate always costs dearly for any candidate. Man, I am still pissed after Obama for not trying to get a KO early on and that's the result.
Perhaps my view about foreign policy is biased since I'm Canadian, but what did Romney mean yesterday that the US should have done more to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weaponry? Hijack ships transporting nuclear material to Iran although piracy is illegal? Launch a pre-emptive strike with 1,000 Tomahawks on Tehran? Invade Iran with the risk of angering Russia (which is Iran's Northern neighbor)? Until further notice, Iran hasn't detonated anything yet. Romney must have watched too much Battlefield 3 videos and the US just barely managed to unfuck themselves from the mess left in Irak. |
2012-10-09, 16:10 | Link #1160 | |
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