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Old 2012-10-11, 02:14   Link #1021
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bach seems so powerful that when aizen declined to be a sub character he probably just left him to his devices. its not like aizen can punch him or do anything to him since hes locked up, tied to a chair and gagged.
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Old 2012-10-11, 02:36   Link #1022
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Obviously. But the question is, was Bach always a dick, or was that somehow Yamamoto's doing?
Probably a mix of both. The Quincy were pushed to the brink of extinction by Soul Society, which according to Bach, and implied by others in the story, used to be ruthless in their judgment.

It's probably fairly close to the truth that the initial forming of the divisions was the result of the strong banding together in a warped sense of justice. Just look at how poor the various districts are, and how characters like Zaraki and Yachiru lived. Outside the walls of SS, existence is brutal. If you can't fend for yourself, it's even worse.

So the divisions are tasked, or choose to task themselves, with preserving order, and the Quincy were literally unbalancing it. I doubt diplomacy was used much - just look at how they treated Ichigo before he saved their asses a bunch of times. He might have been the agent of change that helped SS become better, but they still have a lot of demons in their history that have come back to bite them.
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Old 2012-10-11, 03:20   Link #1023
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That Bach on the upper panel last page doesn't look like Bach at all and the expression is silly. Kind of bugs me.

I think the next stage of battle won't be in SS. Probably that Ice Palace. 0 squad will follow.

So what's Unohana going to do? Just heal everyone? So no one has to die except Yamamoto (and maybe Kira).

Regarding Aizen, I think Bach just left him alone too. Can't exactly kill him, being immortal and all.
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Old 2012-10-11, 10:19   Link #1024
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So what's Unohana going to do? Just heal everyone? So no one has to die except Yamamoto (and maybe Kira).
of course anything can happen, but kubo made sure to eradicate the bodies of not just yamamoto but also byakuya so that they are almost certainly gone forever. byakuya was just a blood stain when as nodt was done with him. it's pretty rough, but there's no alternative really since kubo has had characters return from such fatal-looking injuries that it became silly. now it's like, unless they are a puddle, they can be revived.
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Old 2012-10-11, 10:44   Link #1025
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Would be interesting to see the reactions if next chapter, it shows Bach waking in front of Aizen with Aizen mocking him for his day dreams of success. He did pay a visit to the supreme illusionist afterall.
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Old 2012-10-11, 11:35   Link #1026
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Ok..this is crap at it's best. Kubo shows us after waiting for hundreds of chapters. His Banki..just for him to use it on a FAKE...THAN get it stolen and killed by 1 sword swipe....ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????????
yeah, agree with that.. it's also laziness from kubo.. he keeps mentioning sternitters are strong and can only be defeated with bankai but not even 1 evidence showing what kind of ability they have.. what we see here they just somehow managed to injure the captain with ease.. logically their speed and power should be shown in significant mode but did we witness it? no, just plain movement.. we just have to imagine it ourselves, eh..


most battles in bleach are so disappointing nowadays especially the ending..
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Old 2012-10-11, 11:42   Link #1027
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Btw, the idea of taking out the 13 divisions sound nice and exciting but I much prefer if the enemy power is the real deal and we get to witness its awesomeness instead of what we are served so far..

what? a bankai stealing device, 1 slash/stab of a sword? fucking garbage that..
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Old 2012-10-11, 12:55   Link #1028
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Calling it now, silhouette on Yamajii's right in the gangster squad is Unohana

I liked the chapter. Nice drama imo. I actually felt some sympathy for Yama in the end, unlike every other character death (espada, Tousen, fullbringers) And Aizen is coming back soon
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Urahara
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Ryuken or Isshin
Yachiru (not really )
Ishida (less chance than Yachiru )
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Old 2012-10-11, 14:08   Link #1029
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yeah, agree with that.. it's also laziness from kubo.. he keeps mentioning sternitters are strong and can only be defeated with bankai but not even 1 evidence showing what kind of ability they have.. what we see here they just somehow managed to injure the captain with ease.. logically their speed and power should be shown in significant mode but did we witness it? no, just plain movement.. we just have to imagine it ourselves, eh..


most battles in bleach are so disappointing nowadays especially the ending..

It's just the same crap reheated, over and over again.
First Arc SS. Oh no! we have to save the girl and defeat 10 Shinigami Chaptians
Second Arc Mexico. Oh no we have to save the girl and defeat the 10 Espada/Shinigami
Last Arc No girl to be saved (YET) But we have to defeat 10 Stern Ritter/Shinigami


Btw Bleach is just Shinigami against Shinigami with Swords,Bows & Arrows and Mask. Their all the same race, same moves, same charters under different races, with the same clothes.

Think I'm wrong? Look at this
1. Ulquiorra/Byakuya
2.Starrk/Shunsui
3.Baraggan/Yamamoto
4.Nell/Yachiru
5.Szayelaporro/Mayuri
6.Harribel/Hitsugaya
7. Kukaku/Yoruchi
8.Aizen/Hidetomo/Tsukishima
9.Nanao/Lisa
10.Kensei/Renji/Gingo
11.Rojuro/Jushiro
12.Jackie/Sui-feng
13. Riruka/Hiyori

Way too many more, but not enough time in the day..

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Old 2012-10-11, 14:48   Link #1030
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Probably a mix of both. The Quincy were pushed to the brink of extinction by Soul Society, which according to Bach, and implied by others in the story, used to be ruthless in their judgment.

It's probably fairly close to the truth that the initial forming of the divisions was the result of the strong banding together in a warped sense of justice. Just look at how poor the various districts are, and how characters like Zaraki and Yachiru lived. Outside the walls of SS, existence is brutal. If you can't fend for yourself, it's even worse.

So the divisions are tasked, or choose to task themselves, with preserving order, and the Quincy were literally unbalancing it. I doubt diplomacy was used much - just look at how they treated Ichigo before he saved their asses a bunch of times. He might have been the agent of change that helped SS become better, but they still have a lot of demons in their history that have come back to bite them.
Touche.
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Calling it now, silhouette on Yamajii's right in the gangster squad is Unohana
Holy s***!!! Good call! Before the days of the braid, I could totally see that being her. Imaging her as once being part of Yamamoto's murderous goon squad sounds like it would be the perfect way to start doing justice to the name "Retsu".

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Old 2012-10-11, 17:00   Link #1031
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Hahahaaaa, seeing that old, incompetent fool Yamamoto getting pwned made my day!! Truly well deserved imo.
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Old 2012-10-11, 18:31   Link #1032
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Looking back, i really wish the anime only 'Zanpaktou rebellion' arc never happened, that way the Quincy's 'stealing' of the zanpakyou/bankai would be... I dunno, for lack of a better word... 'better'. Dunno, it makes more sense to steal the whole power of the sword to me, than just one state of it. Eh
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Old 2012-10-12, 01:35   Link #1033
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Calling it now, silhouette on Yamajii's right in the gangster squad is Unohana
ha! good call even if it doesn't pan out. let me up the stakes and call that one of the other members of the old squad who is behind the dialogue bubbles is juha bach

and just for fun... anyone know how old mayuri is? he was just sitting in prison when we were introduced to him in the pendulum arc and we know he doesn't give a crap about his allies

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Looking back, i really wish the anime only 'Zanpaktou rebellion' arc never happened, that way the Quincy's 'stealing' of the zanpakyou/bankai would be... I dunno, for lack of a better word... 'better'. Dunno, it makes more sense to steal the whole power of the sword to me, than just one state of it. Eh
there's no way for the stealing of bankais to make any sense... much less the idea that the one who steals it can use it instantly... it's pure unadulterated nonsense
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Old 2012-10-12, 02:10   Link #1034
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there's no way for the stealing of bankais to make any sense... much less the idea that the one who steals it can use it instantly... it's pure unadulterated nonsense
It's as if Kubo has completely discounted (or really forgotten) the fact that zanpakutos are souls in and of themselves and are not just 'special powered swords' unique to each wielder. But, then again, maybe those badges (they are badges right?) somehow mind control the spirit within the sword, and force the 'bankai of the zanpakuto' to do the users biding. But if that were the case, how would the regular powers of the zanpakuto still work if someone else were controlling the bankai? Oh wait, we'll just kill off the characters with shikai remaining so it doesn't become as complicated. Now, I see whatcha doin'.
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Old 2012-10-12, 11:03   Link #1035
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The badges basically steal "your soul" since the zanpaktou and you are pretty much one and the same.

Yes, it's bullshit.
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Old 2012-10-12, 14:28   Link #1036
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ha! good call even if it doesn't pan out. let me up the stakes and call that one of the other members of the old squad who is behind the dialogue bubbles is juha bach

and just for fun... anyone know how old mayuri is? he was just sitting in prison when we were introduced to him in the pendulum arc and we know he doesn't give a crap about his allies

there's no way for the stealing of bankais to make any sense... much less the idea that the one who steals it can use it instantly... it's pure unadulterated nonsense
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It's as if Kubo has completely discounted (or really forgotten) the fact that zanpakutos are souls in and of themselves and are not just 'special powered swords' unique to each wielder. But, then again, maybe those badges (they are badges right?) somehow mind control the spirit within the sword, and force the 'bankai of the zanpakuto' to do the users biding. But if that were the case, how would the regular powers of the zanpakuto still work if someone else were controlling the bankai? Oh wait, we'll just kill off the characters with shikai remaining so it doesn't become as complicated. Now, I see whatcha doin'.
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The badges basically steal "your soul" since the zanpaktou and you are pretty much one and the same.

Yes, it's bullshit.
Yeah, it's bullcrap now, that's why I was saying that idea in the Rebellion filler arc would make a bit mroe sense with it. If the soul of the sword chose to stop working for its user and even left to side with someone else, as its own being, I could buy that over 'HEY, check out this gizmo that snatches something that's supposed to be connected to you!'
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Old 2012-10-13, 12:55   Link #1037
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It gets better. The one guy we know who's ATM disconected from his sword (Ichigo) is the one they can't steal it from. WTF!?
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Old 2012-10-13, 14:42   Link #1038
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What do you mean he's disconnected from it?
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Old 2012-10-13, 21:22   Link #1039
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Technically, Ichigo's weapon is completely different from his Shikai and Bankai because Mugetsu supposedly destroyed his bond with Zangetsu. IIRC.
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Old 2012-10-13, 23:39   Link #1040
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Technically, Ichigo's weapon is completely different from his Shikai and Bankai because Mugetsu supposedly destroyed his bond with Zangetsu. IIRC.
So this could be the real reason Ichigo's Bankai can't be stolen?


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