2012-10-19, 01:42 | Link #1601 |
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This article is a fair explanation of why the ultra right wing is full of shit when they call Obama or the Democrats "liberal" or "socialist". A pointed exposition of how deeply in error those labels are (and probably how their brains would burst encountering the real thing ).
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...-for-liberals/
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2012-10-19, 06:16 | Link #1602 | |
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Analysis: "47 percent" lament belies Republican tax credit support
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2012-10-19, 06:53 | Link #1603 | |
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Ann Romney says "it is now or never"
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I hope she's got their suitcases packed already.
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2012-10-19, 07:41 | Link #1605 |
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How the US's representational democracy is being destroyed, state by state - thanks largely to Citizens United. Money from singular sources trumps consensus.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/us...ts-giving.html
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2012-10-19, 08:30 | Link #1607 | |
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The problem is he's just buying his way to his solution - not exactly a "debate of ideas", more like steamrollering it with trucks of money -> plutocracy.
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2012-10-19, 10:04 | Link #1609 |
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No, it's more likely that he doesn't want his investment income to be taxed at both the state and federal level, so he's pushing to eliminate the state side, since that's easier to eliminate. If sales tax is the only tax, then he just needs to buy everything online or over the phone from other states and have it shipped to him. Easy enough to do.
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2012-10-19, 10:22 | Link #1610 | |
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1. Consumerism in US can help generate greater revenue in sales taxes instead of regular tax, but it is highly volatile due to market swings and business cycles. 2. He recognised money talks louder than it seems in the US political world. He may be a using the lobbyist weapons against them, but his methods will simply drive US deeper into plutocracy despite his good and down-to-earth intentions.
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2012-10-19, 17:39 | Link #1612 |
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I thought I heard some things along these lines: the GOP doesn't really have any good ideas on how to deal with the debt issue, and Romney's plans on how to do things will add 4-5 trillion to the debt in four years. Can anyone confirm these things?
Also, another question: The GOP loves to point out that the debt has risen by 5 trillion more 'under Obama's presidency', but...how much of it is really to be blamed on the Obama administration? Isn't it only something like a little over 2 trillion? Does anyone know the answer to this?
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2012-10-19, 18:32 | Link #1615 |
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As long as factions keep their "special puppies" off the table, that is going to remain true. However, some factions plan to trample anyone who isn't "their special very wealthy friend" to do it. I suspect that is actually worse for everyone - rather like giving all the money to, say, Dick Cheney and expecting to see improvement for anyone except Dick Cheney.
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2012-10-19, 20:13 | Link #1616 |
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Having ONLY sales tax sounds simple on paper, but in reality it can be very complicated when you take into account that you need to have separate tax tiers for different types of goods. You'd need to have higher taxes on luxury goods but keep essential goods close to tax free.
Determining what goods fall into what brackets will end up being just another battle ground for special interests, where certain things will end up having low sales tax just so certain groups can move their money around freely. Also, corporations would try to put higher taxes on competing products to put their competition out of business. |
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2012-10-19, 21:04 | Link #1619 |
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Well, the problem *I* have with it is that it means assets accumulate over time, taking more and more out of the general system. Even with our multiple vector system - we're seeing that behavior in large corporations. They and the ultra-wealthy are simply sitting on huge wads of cash ... or they've invested in abstract activities that do not actually create real value (*cough* derivatives, futures, whatever) - the "we don't need to hire anyone to multiply our money" problem.
Typically, VAT systems have all sorts of exemptions for essential goods (food, etc) but yeah I didn't say it was wonderful
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