2012-11-20, 04:11 | Link #2362 |
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Aside from ranked 3rd of last year's individual, Satoha is quite a mysterious character. This chapter we saw kids call her sensei, then the man at the gate call her miss, and finally, Maga-chan had to remind her not to attend the match without disguising herself. So yeah, she must have some sort of secret identity.
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2012-11-20, 04:24 | Link #2363 |
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No they do, it's just that while girls don't wear underwear in the Sakiverse so they can develop freaky mahjong super powers, while the guys do wear underwear to develop their own freaky mahjong superpowers. Sadly that's less interesting so they don't get any attention.
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2012-11-20, 06:11 | Link #2364 | |
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woa he's so old, why first male pro card is an old man.
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2012-11-20, 09:37 | Link #2365 | |
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2012-11-21, 00:52 | Link #2370 |
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Both Kiyosumi are, ironically, working with limited data on each other. Do recall that both schools literally have no competitive records within the last five years, and many of the players -- barring Nodoka and Ako -- even have individual competitive records either. They're literally just going to base their strategy on whatever they can observe during each side of the Nationals. O
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2012-11-21, 01:11 | Link #2371 |
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Actually Kiyosumi has their individuals records for Achiga to use. If anything it'll be Kiyosumi who's disadvantaged in the info department as they only have the prefectuals, this tournament, and Nodoka's memories of Ako, Kuro, and Shizu to work with.
Then again, maybe Ryuumonbuchi, Tsuruga, and Mihoko might come forward with what they know about Achiga since they practiced with them some. Or maybe we'll all get thrown for a loop and it'll be Shindouji that comes to the finals instead of Achiga or Senriyama. Nah, I doubt the author will be able to resist the "fated battle" that's been set up. It'd just be so anticlimatic, even if it would be a refreshing break from the normally expected. |
2012-11-21, 03:49 | Link #2373 | |
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You know, I have been thinking that when they (Achiga girls) decided a line-up for their team, they may expect Nodoka to be 1st or 3rd or 5th player as those are normally the positions that each school will put their best player....so, they put Kuro as 1st, Ako as 3rd and Shizuno as 5th in hope that one of them will get a chance to play with Nodoka. BUT.......Nodoka happens to be 4th player They probably not expected that there is someone stronger than Nodoka in Kiyosumi. However, Kuro, Ako and Shizuno will put their souls in Arata for sure. Arata will be like: "So, this girl is Kuro, Ako and Shizuno's target...., I will beat her for them! Prepare yourself Hamamura Nodoka!"
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2012-11-21, 08:03 | Link #2374 | |
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2012-11-21, 08:12 | Link #2375 | |
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Ako's playstyle is one that's very obvious if you see a single one of her matches, and all of Kiyosumi except Saki was watching the semifinals. The only wildcards, then, are Arata (FunaQ had difficulty pinpointing her playstyle using only her prefect records) and Shizu, who is fully skill dependent and thus is on the same level of unpredictability as Nodoka. I'd actually say that even without individual records, Kiyosumi has a pretty good grasp on three of the Achiga players with their current data. Given how unpredictable Kiyosumi is (not a single one of their ability users is 100% dependent on their ability; Maho, Nodoka, Hisa, and Saki are all unpredictable by nature, and even Yuuki has shown vast improvements over her records in the prefectorials whereas, say, Kuro abd Ako are still limited by their styles), I would almost assume that Kiyosumi has an advantage in knowing Achiga. |
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2012-11-21, 10:11 | Link #2376 | |
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In this, I agree with Marina2's theory about Achiga guessing where Nodoka was going to be positioned and putting members that know of her in that position. Before fighting Ryuumobuchi, Achiga was under the impression that Nodoka is Kiyosumi's ace. Remember, Shizuno asked Koromo who was curbstomping her at that time, "Did Nodoka beat you?" That simple statement reveals that Achiga at that time believes Nodoka was the strongest in Kiyosumi. Besides that, another evidence was Koromo's answer that it wasn't Nonoka who beat her, but Kiyosumi's rinshan user and Achiga's subsequent confusion. Achiga has absolutely no clue what 'rinshan user' meant implying they haven't watched any of Kiyosumi's team matches yet. If we look at Achiga's lineup closely, we notice that those who knew Nodoka personally was placed in a position where an ace player is usually placed. Vanguard = Kuro The vanguard position is the current fad of where an ace player was placed under the assumption that an ace would get lots of points and make it easier for the team. Out of the 3 that knew Nodoka, Kuro has the highest point getting points, when her power wasn't being blocked that is. Lieutenant = Ako The traditional position of the ace wherein an ace player can bolster a flagging team performance or help defend or further down the lead. Ako has the fastest and well skillful style of the Achiga so she should be a fit here since out of the 3 that knew Nodoka, she has the most situational/strategic awareness. Kuro didn't even notice that her win was arranged by Toki and Kirame and for some reason I have a feeling that Shizuno relies on GUTS more than strategy. Captain = Shizuno The captain position is the anchor position. It is a good place to put the ace since it ensures that no matter how far down you are someone is always around to do the comeback and if you're ahead, you can have the peace of mind that someone will defend those points in the end. Its also the most stressful position barring the vanguard. Shizuno, out of the 3 that knows Nodoka, is the better choice since her personality of being a "determined idiot (like most shounen heroes)" at least makes her immune to despair and stress. As we can see, Achiga's line-up makes perfect sense under the the assumption that Nodoka is Kiyosumi's ace and Achiga want to meet up with her on mahjong table. Unfortunately for Achiga, Nodoka isn't Kiyosumi's ace and she plays the vice-captain position. As the recent chapter shows vice-captain was a position rarely placed by the ace. In fact, Shindouji and just one other school in the whole tournament put their ace in the vice-captain position. And in Shindouji's case it was more to take advantage of Marui and Himiko's ability. So yeah.
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2012-11-21, 10:21 | Link #2377 | |
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EDIT: Ah, it looks like night_sentinel already got most of the point covered. Double EDIT: Speaking of which, Akado said that Ako isn't fitting for club prez because she's cunning. Ironically, Hisa is even more cunning and a better prez so to say. Last edited by teja208; 2012-11-21 at 11:01. |
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2012-11-21, 11:12 | Link #2378 |
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Don't worry about it teja208, more supporting data is always good.
On the Kiyosumi vs. Achiga debate... I think Kiyosumi is stronger than Achiga. Position wise, if we take Yuuki and Mako's improvement in consideration, then it is possible that every single Kiyosumi player is better than their Achiga counterpart. Of course, Achiga would probably put a fight and we don't know what the other 2 players in the table could do. But at the end of the day I think Kiyosumi is the stronger team. On the data available to both teams... As the Green one said Achiga has more statistics on Kiyosumi since Achiga didn't have individual records while Kiyosumi do. Every member of Kiyosumi participated in the individual match after all. But, I agree on Felyndiira more on this matter. Besides, Kiyosumi members inherent unpredictability. I do wonder how much of those statistics on Kiyosumi back on the prefecture tournament is accurate. Yuuki and Mako's statistics are now confirmed to be unreliable. Nodoka's stats might be reliable but that's kinda the hallmark of her play - 100% efficiency like a computer. On Hisa, we don't know how much she has improved since she had a crisis last match. On Saki, where do I even start. Saki's data is ridiculously unreliable especially her individual record. Saki was not even trying on the first day. And on the second, half of her records were of her doing +/- zero. In fact, if you just look at Kiyosumi's match results for their team battles - you can't even tell you who was the most dangerous of them is. Just to show how badly their score fluctuate, I'll list who among them has the greatest plus points and the greatest minus. First battle : Highest scorer : Yuuki + 49,600 (though Saki's score might be higher.) Lowest scorer: Hisa +14,500 Prefecture finals : Highest scorer : Hisa +39,500 Lowest scorer Mako -19,500 Quarter finals: Highest scorer : Mako +12,900 Lowest Scorer : Hisa - 15,100 Looking at Kiyosumi's battle result is lol worthy.
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2012-11-21, 12:44 | Link #2380 | |
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IMO Shizu and Ako are pretty much better off with their respective positions. Shizu needs to prove herself worthy for Nodoka by defeating Saki and she's pretty much looking forward to it. As for Ako, I bet she can learn a thing or two from her match against Hisa, assuming that the latter is in her top form. |
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