2012-11-24, 15:09 | Link #61 | |
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So if we go with your reasoning of why Kaido tried to stop Whitebeard, then that means Shanks intercepted Kaido only to tell him that it would be useless to try to dissuade Whitebeard, hence the reason why there was no fight between them (Shanks arriving at Marineford unscathed attests to this). But if Kaido was really concerned about preserving stability and order, why wouldn't he accompany Shanks to Marineford to try to stop the war as well? Perhaps he didn't want to risk any casualties/fatalities on his side? That sounds very unlikely seeing as how Shanks was willing to use force to end things. And surely 3 emperors uniting would be too much for the marines to handle, so it couldn't be that Kaido was afraid of losing anything.
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2012-11-24, 18:56 | Link #63 | |
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Oh and even if Kaidou didn't have hostile intentions, that wouldn't matter. He was going to oppose Whitebeards will. That means war. Last edited by golgo13; 2012-11-24 at 18:58. Reason: another thing |
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2012-11-24, 22:07 | Link #64 | |
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Big Mom's crew seems to be the strangest out of the 4 crews.. Smiles could explain why this is. Last but not least, all four Yonkou want power. In fact, everyone wants power to a certain extent, Whitebeard to protect his family, Kaidou for unknown reasons, Big Mom for self gratification (she seems to be addicted to sweets), Luffy for absolute freedom. It would not surprise me if the Yonkou in question was Big Mom, and the Smiles plotline could be a way of tying her in with Doffy's arc.
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2012-11-25, 10:29 | Link #65 | |
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Another thing to note is that Kaido has quite the fearsome wrath (according to one of his subordinates). With Whitebeard refusing to listen to whatever Kaido has to say, that would probably piss him off to the point where an actual battle would ensue. Shanks, with his good foresight, may have foreseen this, hence the reason why he stepped in. All we could do at this time is speculate on what exactly happened between these 3 emperors. But my gut instinct tells me Kaido isn't a good person. Of course, I could very well be wrong. But like a few others have already mentioned, I would find it rather anti-climactic if Kaido doesn't turn out to be a villain. Mihawk and Jimbei (just his name, affiliation, and status) were introduced before we even got to see Crocodile. Kuma and Doflamingo were introduced before we even got to see Moria. I don't see how this scenario is any different.
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2012-11-25, 12:51 | Link #66 | |
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2012-11-25, 14:44 | Link #67 | |
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2012-11-25, 16:47 | Link #68 | |
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Uh.... aren't you kind of contradicting yourself here? The very fact that Drake IS an ex-marine makes his motives for joining Kaidou suspect in the first place. Like, what even drove him to become a pirate at all? Sure, his reasons could be similar to that of former admiral Z (disgusted with the WG's acceptance of famous pirates in their ranks), but that would pretty much be a rehash of Z's story right there. How do we know for sure that he DIDN'T just choose to go over to the "dark side" on his own volition.....? |
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2012-11-25, 17:44 | Link #69 | |
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2012-11-25, 18:02 | Link #70 | |
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2012-11-25, 19:26 | Link #71 | ||
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The difference here is that whilst some of the Shichibukai were indeed introduced before others, here, it is not a mere introduction. The fact that Doflamingo is a supplier to a yonkou means that if Luffy antagonizes him, he will be indirectly making a move against the Yonkou as well. He has already declared war on Big Mom; as Marvel and others have pointed out, the Strawhats are likely not strong enough to take down her whole crew by themselves. They will at the very least require the aid of Jinbei and Law, and maybe Kidd, Hawkins et al. Having Luffy face yet another Yonkou at the very same time would be overkill and over the top. It makes sense for the Yonkou in question to be Big Mom, simply because she was introduced as an antagonist just 20 chapters ago. The Smiles plotline can tie Doflamingo in with her war against Luffy.
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2012-11-25, 21:08 | Link #72 | |
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Just out of curiosity, which emperor do you see being the second-most likely choice?
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2012-11-25, 21:58 | Link #73 |
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Probably Kaidou as well.
There is speculation on the web that Doflamingo's artificial devil fruits could be a way of controlling the minds of the people who have eaten it. This would fit Doffy's puppeteer theme and power of controlling people's actions as well as his ambitious personality and underhanded way of doing things. Taking over a Yonkou's territory by controlling his own zoan army would change the world.. maybe that is what Doflamingo meant when he said that he would usher in a new age, the age of Smiles. Perhaps Doflamingo is doing this in cooperation with the World Government, as I see Akainu being far more pro-active in the fight against piracy then Sengoku was. That is another reason why I can not see Kaidou being the one targeted by Doflamingo and the World Government. We have seen too little of him, and he is too big of a character to be eliminated off screen. We have already seen Luffy interact with Big Mom and we know he will fight against her in the future. Doflamingo's plan may initiate just as this is happening. Of course this is just another possibility, but everything seems to point at Big Mom being the Yonkou in question.
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2012-11-25, 22:59 | Link #74 | |
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And like Aohige said before, I can see Big Mom eventually becoming an ally of Luffy after the two of them go through some serious altercations. Doubt she'll be nothing more than a one-time enemy for the strawhats to overcome.
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2012-11-27, 04:47 | Link #76 | |
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Crazy idea: big moms crew suggested using zoan army because they taste funny and big mom will not eat them or maybe opposite? hehe. |
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2012-11-27, 09:29 | Link #77 |
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Not to mention it's over-powered even for him. For starters, Doflamingo has only shown himself to control one person's body at a time. What, exactly, about the properties of an artificial zoan fruit would allow him to control someone's mind as well? So it's obvious that there are limits to his haxness. It also seems like those with exceptional strength cannot be fully controlled like a puppet. In the war, Doflamingo only managed to stop Jozu in his tracks from hitting Crocodile. And unlike Doffy's previous victims, Jozu kept his composure and looked like he didn't really give a shit. That being said, there definitely are ways to circumvent or at least mitigate the effects of Doflamingo's fruit.
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2012-11-27, 11:59 | Link #78 | |
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I'd be surprised if Oda does a "pappug can talk because he thought he was human when young" type move with Donflamingo's powers and comes up with some different explanation. Likely he is a paramecia user with string-string or wire-wire. We may find out sooner than later! |
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