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Why should simply growing up in a sheltered environment lead to such blank and expressionless faces, for example? I don't get that, I truly don't. If Mashiro is autistic, that would answer some questions that currently have no clear-cut answers otherwise. Frankly, I don't get why you seem so biased against the idea of Mashiro being autistic. Do you think that would make her less of a character? Quote:
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If she has no mental conditions, she should by now be picking up on the manner of speech and ways of conveying yourself that she sees from the people around her. But I see little-to-no sign that she has done so. Quote:
So I take real personal offense at what you wrote here. Just so you know.
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2012-12-10, 19:55 | Link #24 |
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I find it really interesting that some people here think she is autistic, but they ignore that no one in this anime is thinking like that and that no one in this anime has ever used this term to describe her like that.
So I can only see this autism issue, that was never mentioned in this story so far, as an over-interpretation of some people. What I read a couple of times already and what annoys me is that some people used this term, autistic, to insult/bash her character as a retarded girl. |
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More importantly, you keep missing something: If someone does not want to change or does not feel the need to change, they wouldn't change. You're still assuming Mashiro is a "normal" person who would constantly adapt to her environment, which from all indications is not really the case. She will change a bit to lessen the burden of those she care about, but that's probably the limit for now, until things progress further. Quote:
If you say so. I particularly have no problem if people feel offended when I point out things they miss. |
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If a person truly realizes that she is causing all sorts of misunderstandings, then she will notice that, and naturally try to avoid causing such misunderstandings in the future (for her own sake, even if she doesn't care about anyone else). Quote:
Look, it's to Mashiro's own personal benefit to be able to convey her thoughts and feelings clearly, thoroughly, and accurately. But she has made virtually no headway at all in that direction. Quote:
Why am I giving limited consideration to that? Well, for one reason, because we know precious little about it. Frankly, your position is rooted on loads of speculation and assumption. Quote:
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The one thing I'm convinced of is that the author didn't think to himself "I'm going to write an autistic character".
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I don't know how you can possibly justify all of the misunderstandings she causes otherwise.
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And keep in mind that she frequently doesn't even seem to get that a misunderstanding occurred! Just how sheltered do you have to be to not understand confusion when it's staring you right in the face? Honestly, I find your answer to be highly improbable, and exceptionally hard to swallow.
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But there is also a 50% chance that she is not. And when we consider that not even the people in the story (and with that not even the author himself) sees her that way and no one (like friends or family or teachers) in this story treats her that way, then I don't see any reason why I should think she is more than just an eccentric girl that has no desire or interest on other things than art. If there is really something more to it, then I expect to be somhow mentioned. If we go by your standards for Shiina, then what can we call Misaki and Aoyama? I mean, both of them behave quite extreme and sometimes dowright retared in many meany situations. Quote:
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There's a certain sign I'm looking for from Mashiro. A certain sign that she's "cluing in on things". Maybe the latest episode will help here. I'm eagerly looking forward to watching it. I will admit a bit of a bias, though. In a sea of eccentric anime females, I thought it might be nice if one for a change didn't just have a colorful personality, but actually had a real condition. Just for a change. I'd personally find a story of a girl overcoming a mental condition to achieve great personal and life success to be very inspirational.
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Sakurasou Pet na Kanolu -> The pet girl of Sakura Appartment. I would assume the author's intention is to portray Mashiro as someone who cannot act independently and very different from the norm. Her thinkings and actions are inconprehensible But you can not help but love her. Just like a pet. And I don't mean to put down Mashiro as a retard or anything. (Heck, even pets are not entairely dumb themselve)
Whether you treat this as a mental problem, I don't know. But on a realistic standpoint, I would call a real person who behaves like that healthy myself.
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I mean it seems she had a few classmates at her grandpa's lessons and ignored them all except Rita. Quote:
That having a character overcoming social awkwardness would be interesting but I doubt the author thought about the source of the social awkwardness.
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As they said- Shiina is a hard person to interact with, obviously she isn't doing it on purpose, but 10 years old children wouldn't know that... Heck even 16 years old teenagers find it hard to approach her.
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