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Old 2012-12-13, 21:15   Link #1901
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Well, if Juha would have recognized Unohana Retsu as Yachiru Kenpachi, he would have made sure to kill her too. But if it was let out that Yachiru Kenpachi had ceased to exist a few centuries before...then all the more reason for Yama-jii to keep her out of sight if he wanted to have a trump card waiting for the Quincy. .. but he didn't want her fighting at ALL...which is puzzling.
Why hide the world's biggest sucker puncher in Unohana from participating in the battle...?
Yama-jii took a chance that if he defeated Juha Bach, Unohana wouldn't have to fight anymore. But since he failed, here comes plan B...
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Old 2012-12-14, 03:09   Link #1902
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^ She could have just walked away from 11th Div and left the title of 'Kenpachi' for the next captain. Hell, she could have started the 'rule' that the 11th Div head will be called 'Kenpachi'. Since she didn't want to be the head any longer, she dropped it. If she was defeated, then she could have kept her name 'Yachiru' instead of opting to use 'Retsu' instead. People usually forego mentioning their names if it will land them in unwanted trouble and in her case, she'd be recieving challenges from the subsequent 'Kenpachis' if they knew she was there. A chance to measure up to the original - there's no fighter that would pass up that chance.

It's like the chance for ttoday's MMA fighters to go a few rounds against Bruce Lee himself if he was discovered to be alive. Honestly, what fighter going for glory wouldn't do anything to get a chance to be the one to defeat the Bruce Lee?

Yachiru Kenpachi isn't suppose to be around any more. If judging by her reaction, she never wanted to revert back to her 'Kenpachi' days, but necessity is calling it back out.

And as for being older, standards were lower then, I don't think as much. I mean, 10-15 years ago, the Army Physical Fitness tests were HARDER than they are today. A '100' for pushups today is around 77 max. Back then, it was around 88 or something. Situps today is 82, back then, 92. 2-mile run max is 12:50 or something. Back then - 11:45. Just because more time has passed doesn't mean that we've gotten stronger by any measure. Our tech increases, which lowers the amount of physical work that we actually have to do. Back then, Unohana and the other older captians probably didn't have as much Bakudo and Kido techniques - they had to rely more on their actual physical fighting techniques. How did Yama beat Wonderwies - he layeth an old'skool beatdown on him - pure fighing - no fancy Kido. The older you go back, the more physical things were - that goes very much so for real-life and it can probably apply to back then as well.
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Old 2012-12-14, 03:18   Link #1903
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Her fighting power doesn't need to be especially great.
She was the first Kenpachi. It's a name given to the most powerful fighter, but since she was the first, it logically means, that all the others, who came after her were more powerful (if not, she would have kept the title).
So basically we know nothing about her power, except that she once was powerful… but since she is insanely old, this could have been at a time, when someone like Hanatarou was considered strong.
So if we go by that logic, that would make Soifon the weakest captain of the gotei and Jushiro the strongest since 13's higher than 2. If that's true, then what you say makes total sense to me since clearly Yachiru-Classic didn't have an event in her life that was so traumatize that it made her change her ways and become more of a healer than a fighter and after having her leader die and having her own healing teacher telling her to go back to the way she used to be, which Kubo himself said during the 3 week hiatus that when Yachiru-Classic goes into battle mode her hair braid gets loose, because clearly she didn't just give up her Kenpachi title willingly to let each generation have their own out of her own free will, because clearly each Kenpachi is stronger than the next which explains why Kenny, though I love him to death, got owned by Tien Shinhan's hippy twin. No, what you said makes perfect sense to me.
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Old 2012-12-14, 05:19   Link #1904
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^ She could have just walked away from 11th Div and left the title of 'Kenpachi' for the next captain. Hell, she could have started the 'rule' that the 11th Div head will be called 'Kenpachi'. Since she didn't want to be the head any longer, she dropped it. If she was defeated, then she could have kept her name 'Yachiru' instead of opting to use 'Retsu' instead. People usually forego mentioning their names if it will land them in unwanted trouble and in her case, she'd be recieving challenges from the subsequent 'Kenpachis' if they knew she was there. A chance to measure up to the original - there's no fighter that would pass up that chance.

It's like the chance for ttoday's MMA fighters to go a few rounds against Bruce Lee himself if he was discovered to be alive. Honestly, what fighter going for glory wouldn't do anything to get a chance to be the one to defeat the Bruce Lee?

Yachiru Kenpachi isn't suppose to be around any more. If judging by her reaction, she never wanted to revert back to her 'Kenpachi' days, but necessity is calling it back out.

And as for being older, standards were lower then, I don't think as much. I mean, 10-15 years ago, the Army Physical Fitness tests were HARDER than they are today. A '100' for pushups today is around 77 max. Back then, it was around 88 or something. Situps today is 82, back then, 92. 2-mile run max is 12:50 or something. Back then - 11:45. Just because more time has passed doesn't mean that we've gotten stronger by any measure. Our tech increases, which lowers the amount of physical work that we actually have to do. Back then, Unohana and the other older captians probably didn't have as much Bakudo and Kido techniques - they had to rely more on their actual physical fighting techniques. How did Yama beat Wonderwies - he layeth an old'skool beatdown on him - pure fighing - no fancy Kido. The older you go back, the more physical things were - that goes very much so for real-life and it can probably apply to back then as well.
X Mma fighter versus Bruce Lee in his prime or as he would be if he were discovered alive today?
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Old 2012-12-14, 06:38   Link #1905
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Maybe she didn't drop the title because she got bested, and yes, due to certain circumstances probably related to not wanting to fight anymore.
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Old 2012-12-14, 09:58   Link #1906
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Her fighting power doesn't need to be especially great.
She was the first Kenpachi. It's a name given to the most powerful fighter, but since she was the first, it logically means, that all the others, who came after her were more powerful (if not, she would have kept the title).
she could have stepped down from the "Kenpachi title" for various reasons, it doesn't have to do with her actual power at all
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Old 2012-12-14, 12:02   Link #1907
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Holy Shit!! Re-Yachiru looked so eerie. Nobody and I mean nobody has looked so frigging cold and emotionless till now, IMO.
And in all honesty arguing about powerlevels at this point, in this manga, is moot. Since all it takes to get anyone, except Ichigo, is an utterly ridiculous asspull. The word 'Strongest' has lost its meaning and weight in Bleach. The ridiculous amount powerups Ichigo has gotten just renders everyone else's powerlevel pointless.
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Old 2012-12-14, 13:13   Link #1908
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Maybe Unohana is actually the most overpowered character in the series (even more overpowered than Kenpachi) and they made her a medic so that she would not kill eveybody in the battlefield... sounds like a Chuck Norris joke.

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The ridiculous amount powerups Ichigo has gotten just renders everyone else's powerlevel pointless.
And yet he is still weaker than in the Arrancar arc.
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Old 2012-12-14, 14:37   Link #1909
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It's about time for some Unohana backstory. The hints to her being super powerful were made pretty early on. Consult the early pages of chapter 180 where she quiets down a few 11th Div members causing a ruckus at the 4th Division's medical center.
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Old 2012-12-14, 19:54   Link #1910
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this is like saying that soi Fon is stronger than Yoruichi just because Yoruichi during 100 did nothing
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Old 2012-12-14, 20:12   Link #1911
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this is like saying that self Fon is stronger than Yoruichi just because Yoruichi during 100 did nothing
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Which is funny, because Zero Squad doesn't seem that active.

Unlike humans Shinigami seem to get stronger as time passes, instead of constant trainings. This is probably due to natural selection at its finest, only the strong can last long since most missions are plain suicide if you're not good

Yes, Ichigo may be an exception but don't forget he got power leveled thanks to really Strong Masters. Captains are usually "ronins".
Same thing will happen to Kenpachi!
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Old 2012-12-14, 20:26   Link #1912
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Old 2012-12-15, 00:51   Link #1913
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Huh, that last chapter reminds me of a fanfic once where Unohana was basically this unmitigated badass that Yamamoto only barely subdued and forced into servitude of the G13, which she hated and all her skills (healing abilities) were secondary to her main skill of causing absolute annihilation. She really hated being chained, REALLY hated it. I'd say more but I'd spoil it, can't remember what the story was called though. Was good though from what I remember.
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Old 2012-12-15, 04:35   Link #1914
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The supplemental stories and hints were that Unohana was the best kendo practitioner in the Gotei 13. This should be interesting if she gets drill sergeant style on Kenpachi. This will also lead to dozens of Kenpachi/Unohana fanfics. Can't wait for the summaries:

"Unohana and Kenpachi have a very rigorous training session. While taking a post-exercise dip in the Squad 4 spa, Kenpachi starts to notice how attractive she is. R/R and leave comments! THX! "
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Old 2012-12-15, 10:45   Link #1915
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The supplemental stories and hints were that Unohana was the best kendo practitioner in the Gotei 13. This should be interesting if she gets drill sergeant style on Kenpachi. This will also lead to dozens of Kenpachi/Unohana fanfics. Can't wait for the summaries:

"Unohana and Kenpachi have a very rigorous training session. While taking a post-exercise dip in the Squad 4 spa, Kenpachi starts to notice how attractive she is. R/R and leave comments! THX! "
Would be funny to see Kenpachi suddenly go all timid and attentive when she tells him to do stuff.
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Old 2012-12-15, 11:34   Link #1916
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It's about time for some Unohana backstory. The hints to her being super powerful were made pretty early on. Consult the early pages of chapter 180 where she quiets down a few 11th Div members causing a ruckus at the 4th Division's medical center.
And that even Aizen didn't put up a fight with her when he revealed his true nature, whereas he couldn't care less killing Komamura or Byakuya and hinted that she was the first one that could notice a discrepancy despite being under the influence of his hypnosis.
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Old 2012-12-15, 16:04   Link #1917
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we've hit almost 2000 posts on this thread, some how this makes me depressed.
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Old 2012-12-15, 16:53   Link #1918
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Old 2012-12-15, 22:41   Link #1919
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we've hit almost 2000 posts on this thread, some how this makes me depressed.
More Yachiru-Classic showings in Bleach make for more good postings.
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Old 2012-12-16, 23:28   Link #1920
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we've hit almost 2000 posts on this thread, some how this makes me depressed.
Because the anime was canceled right? ....yea..
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