2013-01-07, 23:56 | Link #2402 |
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I guess one big thing was that it became clear that it seemed like the writers didn't know WHERE they wanted SEED Destiny to go, so Shinn kept flip-flopping between "good guy" and "bad guy" as did ZAFT and Dullindal while the end was almost a copy/paste of SEED.
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2013-01-07, 23:59 | Link #2403 |
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The thing about Gundam Seed Destiny is that many animations were from the original Gundam Seed. Characters were not as strong in likability nor hatred. I was a fan of Gundam Seed Destiny when it first started, afterwards I took a minute and saw too many flaws and similarities from its predecessor.
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For me, I think the series started going down as early as soon after the dropping of Junius 7. Some slight positives in between, but otherwise...yeah...
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As for flip-flopping, that distinction fits Athrun more than any other character. |
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Banpresto has already shown with SRW Z Saga and L that Shinn could have been amazing had the time actually been spent on him and not on Kira. |
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2013-01-08, 13:10 | Link #2409 |
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It does, Banpresto already proved that if Kira was reduced to a support role or less Shinn would be a better character since actual development would occur. There's a reason why Shinn's VA loves the Z Shinn over the Shinn in Destiny that was pushed to the side for Kira the Hypocrite.
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2013-01-08, 14:36 | Link #2410 |
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Which is kind of the ironic thing, even Lacus openly acknowledged the hypocrisy they were showing near the end of SEED with their "interventions".
And yeah, Shinn looked like he could've been a far better character than Kira, and Athrun (keeping his newfound self from the end of SEED) would've made a good support pillar to help guide him through more difficult times. As for Athrun, I guess the way they had him switch sides, at least in SEED, was more believable to me since he had a personal stake in it with his father being ZAFT's current leader, so he had a personal conflict within himself of being loyal to his father and ZAFT or to do "what is right" (all point-of-view) and fight alongside Kira. SEED Destiny, however, really didn't offer anything that would warrant such swapping. It felt like the writers, again, just didn't know where they wanted it to go, so just figured that, since Athrun was liked, they could just repeat what he did before and it'd all be fine. With Shinn, they also couldn't decide. One minute, he's all, "I'll be rebellious and do what I think is right and screw anyone who tries to stop me!", then the next, he's all, "Screw anyone who says differently from Rey or Dullindal! I HAVE to believe them like a dog!"
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2013-01-08, 16:04 | Link #2411 |
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I still believe that Shinn was developed, it's just that instead of developing him into a hero they developed him into a well meaning anti-villian because of his issues, and Durandal's and Rey's manipulation.
As for Kira and company's supposed hipocrisy, they're no more hypocritical then the usually gundam leads who fight to attain peace. Sometimes that's just what it takes. |
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The difference is is that at least most other Gundam protagonists knew and accepted that it was peace through war like a lot of wars throughout history.
It wasn't some ultra-idealistic view of "everyone understanding eachother" or "no more fighting" or anything like that. And if they DO take that route, they make the outcome pretty realistic like The 08th MS Team where, in the end, it started AND ended with just Shiro and Aina really going for it, with even those closest to them thinking they were a bit crazy. Or simply changing things up like earlier 00 did with them doing their interventions, but with the full intention of becoming the targets by getting the world united to fight against them rather than continuing to fight amongst themselves.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but from the shows I've seen the main characters fight with the desire that it be the last war ever or have an "everyone understanding eachother" type ideal going on. Like in Zeta, one of the AEUG's goals was to promote humanity to move into space so they would become newtypes, thus understanding each other and ending war. |
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2.) The AEUG's goal was simply to expose and stop the Titans from trying to rule the Earth Sphere with a corrupt iron fist while trying to get the Federation off their lazy butt to do something. It was only Char's and maybe some other members' goal more specifically to have such a thing happen. But, as Amuro pointed out, Char got way too impatient after seeing the corruption of the Federation. Rather than wait for humanity to grow and evolve over time like Amuro believed should happen, Char tried to force it to happen by dropping asteroids onto Earth and try to make Earth uninhabitable, thus forcing all of mankind into space. Yes, they may had an "understanding eachother" belief, but they believed it would happen over time. They weren't foolish enough to think it would happen in such a short period of time and those that did and tried to force it, like Char, ended up failing because of that impatience. And such people also seem to never think of the immediate consequences of their actions either.
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I'd say that Shinn was more of an anti-heroic/shades of gray type of character.
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