2013-01-08, 16:16 | Link #9162 | |
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Spoiler for Movie plot:
In other words: Spoiler for Conclusions:
So, yeah... Just goes to show all those flashforwards were not a really good idea...
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2013-01-08, 22:18 | Link #9166 |
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I don't really think that was the idea. Remember she was originally going to ask Nagi to forgive Hayate's debt if she won, but then she said that was too much to ask, and then asked the debt to be transferred to her if she won.
So, I wouldn't know if she was thinking of buying Hayate off from Nagi. That said, I don't think she was thinking about the possibility of Hayate not liking her back when she made that bet. I really don't think she's that altruistic. Anyhow, I'd like it if Hata made CTMEOY non-canon. In my opinion, knowing that nothing will really change after this arc makes it a little too anti-climatic and very predictable. Not to mention that HnG is close to reach its 400th chapter, and so far, we haven't had any real development in the romantic area, and the plot development is all over the place. So, once they go back to the mansion, we'll be left with a story which is pretty much back to where it started, but with some character development for some characters which doesn't really justify 400 chapters, many plot points that aren't even close to be solved, many characters that are just there and many others that were simply forgotten. That, and this is purely my opinion, despite some funny moments here and there, I think the comedy in this manga is pretty much stale.
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2013-01-08, 22:23 | Link #9167 | |
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The point was that if Nagi won't let Hayate go, Ruka will take him from her. I don't understand why people are getting so defensive about this as if Ruka was doing something bad. She is just being proactive and doing everything she can to achieve her goals like she always has. Likewise, Nagi has every right to refuse, because legally, she owns Hayate and has no reason to give him up if she does not want to give him up. |
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2013-01-08, 22:23 | Link #9168 | |
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Even if Ruka was hoping to pay off Hayate's debt for purely altruistic reasons (WHICH SHE ISN'T) she still wouldn't be helping him, because Hayate's proven enough times by now he doesn't give a flip about the debt except to the point that it represents a personal obligation to Nagi. Handing him a check at this point just means putting him on the spot and forcing him to stammer out an excuse as to why he can't take it. Heck, he hasn't even done anything to indicate that he's interested in dating Ruka. |
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2013-01-08, 22:29 | Link #9170 | |
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2013-01-08, 22:30 | Link #9171 | |
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His first reason was the "I'm only interested in 2D girls" excuse he gave to Ayumu. It's not hard to believe that Hayate didn't think about relationships since he's too busy trying to make ends meet everyday. |
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2013-01-08, 22:36 | Link #9173 | |
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Last edited by NK141; 2013-01-08 at 22:53. Reason: thought i should make the Quote from hayate better. |
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2013-01-08, 22:40 | Link #9174 | |
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Honestly, I don't think Hayate even knows what his reason is. He just knows that he's rejected every confession that comes his way and every explanation he's offered feels like an after-the-fact rationalization. Your example with Athena for example was at least the third excuse he'd given for not dating Hamster.
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2013-01-08, 22:44 | Link #9175 | |
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2013-01-08, 23:04 | Link #9177 | |
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Like I said before, I don't think she's an altruist to take on Hayate's debt simply so that he's free of it, but I don't think she's that inconsiderate that she'll buy his debt so that he owes her and has to be with her. I don't think she's been shown as being that type of person. You forget a problem he has that has been mentioned many times and was even brought up in the latest chapter. Hayate is too much of a nice guy.
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2013-01-09, 01:23 | Link #9178 |
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Ruka isn't trying to buy Hayate off. She's simply being what the manga has described her as. A very earnest and straightforward girl. "Hayate can't date because he has to concentrate on paying back his debt? No problem, I will help him pay off the debt with all my might" It's not because she thinks this will automatically win her Hayate.
Plus we all know Hayate rejected every girl so he can be with Athena in the end ;p
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2013-01-09, 13:03 | Link #9179 | |
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There is nothing inherently wrong with it, but it's not some privilege or right that she's allowed to do either. The same can be said for Nagi. There is nothing wrong with her refusing Ruka claim over Hayate's debt, because 1)she is the one Hayate is indebted to, and 2) she sees the debt as the only thing keeping Hayate together with her. You act as if Nagi is doing something wrong while Ruka gets a free pass. That's where I disagree: technically, Nagi does have the right to Hayate, but that's not the point. Romantically, these are just two girls not willing to give up on the man they love. Neither one of them is more "right" or "wrong" than the other, even if one of them is more likable. |
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2013-01-09, 20:13 | Link #9180 |
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Of course she doesn't want Nagi's help. Thanks to Hayate, she thinks Nagi and his debt to her is the reason he can't date her. What do you expect her to do? Ask Nagi to force Hayate to date her? Wait for Hayate to finish paying 150million in yen to Nagi? If you're so smart and so much better, then you tell me what is the best solution in that situation and we'll see if it can't be nitpicked at all.
Note that Ruka doesn't even need to bet with Nagi about the debt. She can just give Hayate the money and ask him to use it to pay back Nagi, which she sort of implied she would do when she asked Hayate what if he didn't have the debt and he didn't give any answer to her. And Nagi isn't refusing Ruka's claim over Hayate's debt. She basically told Ruka to give up on her feelings for Hayate. Let me make that clearer; she told Ruka; a person which owes her nothing and has no debt to her, to give up on her own personal feelings for Hayate; someone who is indebted to her. It's got nothing to do with Hayate's debt at this point. The only way this would be even comparable is if Ruka's bet was 'you give up on Hayate' to Nagi
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