2013-02-14, 21:26 | Link #2961 |
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If you mean against having Shizu as MC then I'm with you on this. I like Shizu as a character, but there has been a hand full of the likes of her as MC in other Shounen mangas. I'd rather have something different like demon overloard Saki crushing hopes and dream of those standing in her way.
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2013-02-14, 21:40 | Link #2963 |
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Another observation here.
This time on the name Shizuno Takakamo (高鴨 穏乃) Based on my understanding on the chinese characters in her name (or kanji), the following is what each character meant: Spoiler:
I hope I am onto something here. Inputs/corrections/comments are welcome. P.S: We all know what Saki means, right? So, the name of the 2nd MC must have some symbolism, right? |
2013-02-14, 21:46 | Link #2964 | |
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I'll just repost what I wrote last year:
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Advice: Ignore surnames when you do these kind of analysis, unless there is a definite trend like in the Raildex universe. |
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2013-02-14, 22:14 | Link #2966 | |
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Please note that page limits are also partially dependant on the magazine, as a bimonthly release I believe Young Gangan's chapter lengths are probably limited to the same as for weekly mangas, meaning that roughly ~20 pages per issue would be the upper limit. It is unreasonable to compare Saki's per chapter pagecounts with Achiga's, which is a monthly manga. |
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2013-02-14, 23:00 | Link #2967 | |
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But if Ritz get someone to help with art work, it is guaranteed that the manga will be released 2 chapters per month like it should be.
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- We will have Saki who is blooming on the top of mountain - We will have Shizu who is looking over that mountain - We will have Awai who is the star that look at them from space Now, I wonder how 4th player name will play with this
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I doubt either one is a crane. Maybe Himeko and Mairu are children of Childhood friends, who didn't get stay together, then got back together in later life, or they are reincarnated lovers. Quote:
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2. I could see it happening, but I say wiht sore staying in 500-100 range, and if did happen it would finally force the press in Saki to acknowledge the players who don't have big boobs, look cute or a past champions. Also hopefully it would shut them up about saying smaller prefectures are weak. Actually its not a bad idea, because Sumire said that Shiraitodai were only going to get serious if there was a chance of them dropping to third and not progressing, in other they don't care if they only place 2nd in this match, they will however apparently rain down destruction in the finals. Quote:
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Leave to Hiroko to be able to actually be able to figure out someones ability by observing their match. Harue spotting Sumire's tell not so unlikely now is it? What with a high-schooler being able to figure out an ability that is actually quite complex. Also knewit, everyone falls into the trap of jsut looking at the records, while Harue actually bothered to watch the full recordings of matches. Except a pro already did break Himeko/Mairu's combination. The day Shindouji had a practice match with a pro, the pro busted every member in the club except Kirame. Quote:
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Or her ability could be like Touka's where she enters a trance a short while, except unlike Touka, Shizu is willing to except that part of her play style. Also I doubt it works around the nice, because otherwise Shizu's ability would be to unreliant, plus there's only so many times a dice can land on snake eyes before it really does come off as the game was rigged to specifically help Shizu and impede the other players. Quote:
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Strong lesbian subtext, that will make any pair of Yuri goggles spontaneously combust? Just kidding. I see the possibility of them at least 2 monsters present, or they have some really strong monster slayers. I think having Kiyosumi come in 2nd would really help them get away from, completely unbeatable team, plus is also seems that the semi-finals would be a good place for when they really start to feel pushed, what with Satoha actually challenging Yuuki during the east round. Plus please for the love of all things don't skip over Mako's match again Ritz. Quote:
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Shizu "negating" ability doesn't come out frequently, there must be condition to activate that, like getting dice with snake eyes... If Shizu must get used to her opponent to activating her "imagine breaker", in round 2 Shizu would practically became invincible because all the player already show their playing style. But we know that's not the case. All of them still could use their ability.[/QUOTE] Actually this could be a case of how often they use their abilities is how long it takes Shizu to stop them, plus Ryuuka's and Himeko's aren't necessarily stoppable. Still it's probably not impossible to stop their abilities, Pretty sure Saki or Teru would be able to fuck with Ryuuka's foresight to a guaranteed win, and break Himeko's key to victory (sorry couldn't resist the pun) Quote:
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On a different note we learned a little about Shiraitodai's inner workings. What I can see is that Teru's team wouldn't have made it as the school's team if Teru wasn't present to get them the huge point jump they. Also I think I can work some of Shiraitodai's strategy, get Teru to get a huge point lead, have Sumire target different schools to increase the gap between them, this allows for Takami to safely use her Harvest Time ability and get her end Yakuman, Have Seiko speed through the vice-captain match before handing it off to Awai, who finishes up the match. P.S Sorry for the long post, I've been unable to actively take part for a while. |
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2013-02-15, 00:02 | Link #2969 | |
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For 高 (Taka), it was rather hard with the amount of information we have. But I think this is referring to mountain, after that last scene with mountain like that. And in mahjong, mountain is known as "wall" as well. I'm inclined to believe Shizu ability is controlling that wall... That ability related with her "negating" skill too, because if Shizu can control the wall, then Shizu can control which tile the player draw, no matter what supernatural ability they have. And for your information, dice in mahjong give major factor on the wall arrangement... For 鴨 (Kamo), that's referring to Shizu character I think
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2013-02-15, 00:09 | Link #2970 | |||
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Long post as usual, Bladezer
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I was saying that each pair of number may have different effect and/or one of them can improve Shizu skill.
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2013-02-15, 01:01 | Link #2971 |
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I found an interesting fact, in all of the round before on the captain match, the dice count is between 5-8! Except for the snake eyes of course!
If Shizu ability is based around dices, maybe there is level of power, for example: - Number 2-4 = Low probability win. This dice make enemy's win rate drop. The fact that Shizu win in 16th round means it affect Shizu's win rate too. - Number 5-8 = Medium probability win. All player can use their supernatural power. - Number 9-12 = High probability win. Shizu win rate increase. Like Shizu win in quarterfinal...
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2013-02-15, 01:03 | Link #2972 |
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First of all, my apologies for bringing my misguided fanboyism to the discussion, but...
"One more game." "Eh? You mean 11 more games" Oh, Shizu On a more serious subject, what the hell does mountain climbing have to do with IB? Or anything? Could it be Shizu's power is just the ability to block plays once she's gotten the hang of everyone's styles? Harue, please provide a full explanation before everything is said and done. Also, I'm very glad she didn't just figured out everything about Awai instantly, that'd have been so anticlimatic. Also, I think it's great Awai doesn't even register Shizu, definetly a much better way to show Achiga as the underdogs than having their player crying in despair Just you wait, supernova, the name Takakamo Shizuno will be engrave in your mind soon enough. I hope Come on, Shizu, finish this with a bang! Also, all my best wishes to Ritz. Get well soon, you magnificent lesbian. |
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Pretty sure that you have been mixing up Eastern order and Western order here. Most importantly, Choe Myeonghwa is half-Korean and Hao Huiyu is of Chinese descent.
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2013-02-15, 01:42 | Link #2974 | |
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I guess my standard prerequisite for the monster slayer is too high. I stand correct, maybe I should've dropped the "wannabe" part and just labeled Satoha and Kyouko plain "monster slayer" instead since they both probabily accomplished quite a few monster slayings to made it this far into the tournament. However, if one want the title "Monster Slayer King" they have to at least conqour one of the Miyanaga sisters. Yeah, one of them should be enough to earn that title. P.S. Don't fret about it, just post whenever you have time for it. P.S.S. The post above me regarding Toki's name, I'm not sure I fully get this, but I believe what Sumeragi is trying to tell you is while toki also means time in Japanese, it's written using a different Chinese character from the one Toki's name is written. Same pronounceation, different meaning I guess. Last edited by teja208; 2013-02-15 at 02:13. |
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2013-02-15, 02:30 | Link #2975 |
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I don't think Ritz would like anyone to "take over"
It's much like when Hisa say "a win is a win, but what about her pride" True if Igurashi take over the manga will be out faster and Ritz will have more resting time, but how would Ritz feel? |
2013-02-15, 03:05 | Link #2976 |
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Now that you mentioned it, I guess that's true in a sense that I would've said no as well if I were the author. Sorry, I'd got a little carried away with the idea which is very inconsiderate of me.
Ah well, let us be patient and wait till Ritz-sensei finally recovers and ready to write again. |
2013-02-15, 04:43 | Link #2977 |
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Hi, it is my first time posting on this Achiga-hen message board. I have some ideas/predictions about Shizu's power and what is going to happen next chapter, and I would love to gets some reactions/feedback. Here is what I suspect:
1) Shizuno's ability is NOT simply an image breaker. That is only one aspect of Shizuno's power. Her true ability is basically this: the more she plays against an oppenent, the more she can criple that oppent's play. This crippling takes MULTIPLE forms, one of which is "disabling special abilities" (image breaker). Other aspects of her power (once it activates) include "preventing opponents from drawing winning tiles" and "never dealing into oppenent's hand". Shizuno regards opponents as "mountains" which she slowly climbs, conquers, and completely shuts down. 2) If I am right about the true nature Shizuno's ability, Achiga-hen is going to end in a one-sided massacre. Shizuno is about to become the one of the most overpowered players in the Saki universe while the other schools struggle desperately for second place. ;-------------------------------- Clues about Shizuno's power/ability: Clue #1) Shizuno disables Awai's ability (everyone noticed this one) So Shizuno seems "to be able to disable opponents abilities". Clue #2) The unatural lack of tsumos in the second hanchan In the first ten hands of the final round, there were six Rons (60%) and four Tsumos (40%). What is more, these Tsumos are evenly distributed throughout the ten games. Then Shizuno activates her ability., and we get six straight games without any tsumos. This strongly suggest that, once Shizuno's ability activates, she can "prevent opponents from drawing winning tiles". (By the way , the "prevent opponents from drawing winning tiles" would also prevent Koromo's Haitei Raoyue) Clue #3) Shizuno's complete lack of damage in second hanchan In the first ten hands of the final round, Shizuno loss points in 50% of the hands (four Tsumos and one Ron). Then Shizuno activates her ability, and avoids all damage in the next six hands. This suggest that, once her ability is activate, Shizuno can "avoid dealing into opponents hands". (Combined with the lack of Tsumos, this makes Shizuno is immune to all damage.) Clue #4) Shizuno's ability seems to take time to go into full effect. Going by what happened to Koromo and what is happening in the current match, Shizuno needs to play her opponents many times before her ability activates, and then that ability gets stronger as time goes on. So Shizuno should be at her strongest at the end of the second hanchan (which is why I suspect that Achiga-hen will end with a one-sided massacre) Clue #5) Koromo suggests that Shizuno has monstrous potential (everyone noticed this one too) When Koromo played Shizuno two months ago, she "could already see a spark". http://www.mangahere.com/manga/saki_...a/c019/29.html This suggest that Shizuno's ability was rough/developing when she played Koromo. "the second time around, I couldn't manage any haitei" http://www.mangahere.com/manga/saki_...a/c019/30.html So When Shizuno played Koromo and prevented her from getting Haitei Raoyue, her ability was still in rough/developing stage. Now, if Shizuno's incomplete ability is that powerful, what is the real thing is like? Clue #5) The mountain climbing imagery When Shizuno first activates her power, there is a flash of Shizuno standing on a mountain. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/saki_...a/c019/30.html Shizu's coach "Do you think you can conquer those three mountains?" http://www.mangahere.com/manga/saki_...a/c019/71.html Chapter 19 ends with the imagery of Shizu standing on top of a mountain thinking "I've got an excellent view!" http://www.mangahere.com/manga/saki_...a/c019/74.html ;-------------------------------- So in summary: A) Shizuno's opponents are "mountains" she must conquer. B) As Shizu conquers said montains (opponents), she can criple their play in multiple ways ("disabling abilities", "preventing them from drawing winning tiles", "never dealing into their hands. ", etc) C) Shizu is now standing on top of said mountains (opponents) thinking "I've got an excellent view!" To me, this looks like a one-sided massacre waiting to happen. ;-------------------------------- Three other things to note: 1) Shizu's ability might be limited to "mountains" (monstrous players with special abilities), making her the ultimate giant-killer. 2) Shizuno is the main character (Saki's equivalent in Achiga-hen). It would be weird if she didn't turn out to be an over-powered monster. 3) Plot-wise, a Shizu one-sided massacre would give Shiraitodai a reason to rearrange their lineup. So the final round of the finals might be Shizuno, Teru, Saki, and some other monster. Last edited by cedec0; 2013-02-15 at 05:58. Reason: fixing typo |
2013-02-15, 05:03 | Link #2978 | |
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The fact that Maho can use abilities of people who're nearby, and not just her opponents, opens up a lot of possibilities if she ever gets better at mahjong... Imagine her channeling Kokaji-pro for a hand, if her copy ability "range" gets beyond line-of-sight/room, to say people on the same floor/building/conference centre, LOL. Maybe Kainou-pro has the professional level version of this skill? |
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2013-02-15, 05:21 | Link #2979 | |
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Her calm demeanor is actually pretty scary too in the scene betwen her and Ako.
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