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You're the ones making a claim that NJC has been banned. It's up to you to prove it. Spoiler for monster:
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But, since they obviously didn't think they had a way to deter an EA attack, even though the threat wasn't there yet, I also accept that they joined the EA as a preemptive move. Quote:
1. What you're proposing (that EA won't get anything out of it and have no reason to attack Orb at all) is not something that Orb could guarantee on their end. In SEED, the EA did not have a reason to attack Orb until they found one. 2. Assuming the EA did find themselves a reason to attack Orb, again, Orb's experience in SEED tells them they couldn't deter an attack from the EA. Quote:
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See the picture of those two Black Tri-Star Zakus? Those are exactly one and the same model, but with the option to add horn to its head. Why? Because the commander wears the horn on his Suit while the other two are not since they’re not commanders (unlike what you said that the horns are made just to distinguish different models). And this is a brand new kit. I purposefully gave you the most recent example so that the data is still fresh and relevant. This is just one out of many examples. So, the gunpla thing that you mentioned actually support my argument. You don't have to worry about me. I'm good :P.
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Athrun did not want to make a enemy out of Orb, as he said, in the end it would be a diplomatic matter for their nation (Zaft and Orb). Athrun also made it very clear that attacking orb wouldnt be like Heliopolis: to which dearka said: Athrun: TLR? Athrun: Dearka, we're not going to attack an entire nation because of one ship and one mobile suit. Quote:
Quoted from the Murasame pilot doing a angry Murasame fist. The country starayed off Uzumi/Orb's path, and are ran by the Seirans, we know there is some change(obviously for the worse) but we don't know all of it. Quote:
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And I never actually argued that the horns were not used to differentiate between commanders and non-commanders. |
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You also not make yourself clear whether you agree or disagree with that certain point of mine. Just giving one sentence about Gunpla when I was talking about an element in the story.
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2013-03-10, 13:44 | Link #6011 | ||
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And who said anything about FAITH-class mobile suit? This new discussion is derived from Skye's comments who stress that FAITH sign is even more useful for those Standard MSs. Quote:
Then you said the horns are used to differentiate different models. That’s not true (I already proved it). Both share similar model. The commander only added a horn. A single simple accessories like that doesn’t make it a different model. Or you want to deny the solid proof I just provided you?
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You see, Skye629's example uses numbers and squadron insignia, which is fine. The numbers can help to tell which exact mobile in the hangar while the squadron insignia can help to tell if it's at the right hangar. Neither of those is applicable to the FAITH insignia. (my original point) The former (which mobile suit), because of the multiple Goufs example. The second (which hangar), because FAITH is not an actual squadron. You could have a FAITH member at any, all, or no hangar. They're pretty much autonomous unless specifically ordered to be otherwise by the Chairman. Quote:
Admittedly, I don't buy models, but isn't the point of the horns to differentiate them? Say you buy all three of the same model and then you put a horn on one of them and pose all three of them somehow. Didn't you just differentiate the one with the horn from the other 2? That's what I meant by differentiating the models. |
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Don't know. I think I'm just talking in the realm of possibilities?
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2013-03-10, 15:20 | Link #6016 | |
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But of course. But that doesn’t mean the FAITH insignia is completely useless every time. Just like my “lamp vs. candle” analogy.
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2013-03-10, 21:46 | Link #6018 | |
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Considering that we’re talking in the realm of possibilities here, then why not? That will be one more function of the FAITH insignia .
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2013-03-10, 22:01 | Link #6019 | |
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So if that is your scenario, then it does not fit the state of CE mobile weapons. If they have more than adequate means of identifying mobile suits, that would include in emergency situations. The fact is that they don't rely on insignia at all (to the extent of Strike Rouge's and what is pictured with Destiny). So, at this point, it's a matter of subjective taste from an in-story perspective or merchandising from a real world perspective. |
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That said, yes it is my opinion that FAITH insignia can be useful and yes your opinion is that FAITH insignia is useless. We just use our logic to support our opinions, and I’m aware of that all this time.
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