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Old 2013-06-14, 10:32   Link #3521
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same thing as above, who or what give her the right to barge in their relationship. "Kirino's ideal 'amazing onii-san' didn't exist" no, he do as what he have done is undeniable, even if he change, his ego still return at the end and he almost back to the old Kyousuke.
Well, not fully. He found a balance between his old boastful self and the peace-loving self. It is stated in I think chapter 3 or 4 that both are part of who he is. You can put it that way, that due to Manami's intervention a normal balancing out of Kyousuke's character was prevented and only returned back on track with Kyousuke beginning his life-counseling sessions with Kirino.
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:37   Link #3522
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Well, not fully. He found a balance between his old boastful self and the peace-loving self. It is stated in I think chapter 3 or 4 that both are part of who he is. You can put it that way, that due to Manami's intervention a normal balancing out of Kyousuke's character was prevented and only returned back on track with Kyousuke beginning his life-counseling sessions with Kirino.
i agree with that, my point is, the super-kyousuke, Kirino amazing onii-san do exist as part of kyousuke ego, and Manami outright denied his existance, if he truly didn't exist, then he will never have the guts to do those thing in the 1st place.
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:40   Link #3523
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same thing as above, who or what give her the right to barge in their relationship. "Kirino's ideal 'amazing onii-san' didn't exist" no, he do as what he have done is undeniable, even if he change, his ego still return at the end and he almost back to the old Kyousuke. Again, how did she know that who the real Kyousuke is, she is not Lacian and more to that, the super-kyousuke is more real than the peace loving one, as he retun gradually with time. "You mustn't tell those feelings to anyone. " - This is just stupid, she is not their parent, not their family and have the guts to spill those word but not the guts to admit that fact to Kyousuke or try to clean her own mess, shower a child with Gross and disgusting,, those word are more fitting for her.
The "Manami a shit" train sure is fun to ride on, but she really did have somewhat of a right. Manami was Kyousuke's childhood friend. When Kyousuke's ego was shot down after messing up with Sakurai, Manami couldn't bear seeing him so hurt. She just gave Super-Kyousuke a gentle reminder that he's still human so that he wouldn't be so hot-blooded all the time and get himself hurt again.

This, of course, turned him into peace-loving Kyousuke. But as SigUp said, through the course of Oreimo he is able to find a balance between his old passionate self and his peace-loving self. They are both part of him.
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:43   Link #3524
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With the recent flurry of messages in the forum I am more confused than I was ever before, just to clarify, Kirino and Kyousuke in the epilogue go to Akihabara in an offline meeting and Kirino kissed kyousuke. This means that they are still dating right?
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:52   Link #3525
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With the recent flurry of messages in the forum I am more confused than I was ever before, just to clarify, Kirino and Kyousuke in the epilogue go to Akihabara in an offline meeting and Kirino kissed kyousuke. This means that they are still dating right?
Kyosuke kissed Kirino when they were talking about how go back to "normal siblings", she blushed, ran away and then she said to him: "What are you waiting? Keep pace!" (Tsundere, just tsundere).
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:53   Link #3526
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With the recent flurry of messages in the forum I am more confused than I was ever before, just to clarify, Kirino and Kyousuke in the epilogue go to Akihabara in an offline meeting and Kirino kissed kyousuke. This means that they are still dating right?
Actually its Kyousuke who forced a surprise kiss on Kirino after promising to return being ''normal siblings'',resulting more 'life counseling' back at home. Feel free to guess what next would happen.
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:54   Link #3527
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The "Manami a shit" train sure is fun to ride on, but she really did have somewhat of a right. Manami was Kyousuke's childhood friend. When Kyousuke's ego was shot down after messing up with Sakurai, Manami couldn't bear seeing him so hurt. She just gave Super-Kyousuke a gentle reminder that he's still human so that he wouldn't be so hot-blooded all the time and get himself hurt again.
She did have some reason in her words, but the problem here is that she needlessly intervened. Instead of letting her ride it out she tried to convince Kirino that what she felt was not normal and she should change herself. But Kirino is a person with great determination, so Manami's words had the opposite effect.

As for Kyousuke, if she only gave him a soft reminder, it wouldn't have been bad. But the problem I see is what dragon1412 mentioned. That she used a situation in which Kyousuke was incredibly vulnerable to outright deny the existence of the Kyousuke who loved to take matters into his hands. To use this situation to just eliminate a whole portion of his personality and convince him that he was only a very normal boy.
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Old 2013-06-14, 10:59   Link #3528
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Actually its Kyousuke who forced a surprise kiss on Kirino after promising to return being ''normal siblings'',resulting more 'life counseling' back at home. Feel free to guess what next would happen.
Ohh that clears up so much because previously someone was talking about Kirino's counseling was about limitations or something.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:03   Link #3529
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Ohh that clears up so much because previously someone was talking about Kirino's counseling was about limitations or something.
About what will they talk about,we have no idea,but I think its kinda obvious but as I said interpret it as you wish.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:05   Link #3530
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Now THAT is how you do childhood friends. Either be the winner or be THE final boss. Far too many times they were just pushed off to the wayside as if they're a pebble on the road, but this time she's the biggest obstacle. But I guess that is to be expected, as the childhood friend tends to be rival in love to the sister (be they 'real' or 'fake') in these stories, as they provide a good comparison since they essentially share the same history but just with the 'incest' angle attached to it.

And I can't imagine what the other ships are going through right now. At least us Manami fans get our punch as cathartic payback for our consolation prize. Can't wait to see it animated.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:07   Link #3531
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2ch thread celebrating interview
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398941.html

What happened?
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:12   Link #3532
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Ohh that clears up so much because previously someone was talking about Kirino's counseling was about limitations or something.
That is the interpretation of someone, Kirino's counseling could be other thing, you can think that they could be together again in a future or that they gonna be normal siblings. This is no a clear ending and you can't say that your interpretation is better than other.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:15   Link #3533
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2ch thread celebrating interview
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398941.html

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Celebrating? like it clears up or reaffirms peoples position about the ending?
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:20   Link #3534
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same thing as above, who or what give her the right to barge in their relationship.
And who have given Super-Kyousuke right to meddle with other's affairs?
Minami plays exactly same game here, and even on a bit higher ground, she is friend of both Kyousuke and Kirino. Super-Kyousuke have not hesitated to meddle with complete strangers affairs :-)
Sure, she failed, and in very spectacular way, so what?
At exact same time, Kyousuke failed with Sakurai, and in spectacular way too.
Sad, but in real life, sometimes shit happens.
And why she have not fixed her errors? Maybe, scared to mess it up even more (was not Kyousuke in same boat in same period?). And she had limited understanding about what happens with Kirino . And as much omnipotent and omniscient granny she looks sometimes, that image overboasted in same way as Super-Kyousuke image. And when she got better picture, she tried to fix things. And with that, while she failed to reach her goals, but even her failed attempt played to Kirino & Kyousuke glory, so who cares?
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:23   Link #3535
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Celebrating? like it clears up or reaffirms peoples position about the ending?
The key bit seems to be here:
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───12巻は全体的に美少女ゲーム(ギャルゲー)を意識した構成になっていて、原点に帰った印象を受けま す。

伏見:そうですね。狙って1巻っぽいシーンを書いています。すべてに決着をつけて禁断の道に突っ込むという 痛快な物語は、電撃文庫で、直接描くのは、とても難しいですし、桐乃を幸せにするエンドにしようと決めた以 上、彼女の今後には、可能な限り良いレールを敷いてやらなくてはいけないし……非常に悩みました。結果は、 読んでいただいたとおりなのですが、再読する方向けに、蛇足ながらコメントさせていただくと、

・「完全なる桐乃エンド」
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」

12巻は、そんなお話です。
I'm not sure what it says completely, but people in the Kirino thread seem to be happy about it.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:24   Link #3536
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2ch thread celebrating interview
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398941.html

What happened?
generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
if you want me to translate a specific part, post up.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the siblings holding a secret of only the 2 at the end.
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And who have given Super-Kyousuke right to meddle with other's affairs?
Minami plays exactly same game here, and even on a bit higher ground, she is friend of both Kyousuke and Kirino. Super-Kyousuke have not hesitated to meddle with complete strangers affairs :-)
Sure, she failed, and in very spectacular way, so what?
At exact same time, Kyousuke failed with Sakurai, and in spectacular way too.
Sad, but in real life, sometimes shit happens.
And why she have not fixed her errors? Maybe, scared to mess it up even more (was not Kyousuke in same boat in same period?). And she had limited understanding about what happens with Kirino . And as much omnipotent and omniscient granny she looks sometimes, that image overboasted in same way as Super-Kyousuke image. And when she got better picture, she tried to fix things. And with that, while she failed to reach her goals, but even her failed attempt played to Kirino & Kyousuke glory, so who cares?
you misunderstood my point, i never said that i hate Manami because she is manipulative, but rather her lack of guts to clean her mess, true she can be failed but if her at least try before the cold war happened,, i would never hate her and when she tried to fix thing Kyousuke already fixed this before she get the bigger picture like you said, and while super -kyousuke do it for himself and accept it all, Manami do it while justified it's for the siblings.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:26   Link #3537
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generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
what does he mean with kirino end?Did he confirm that they going to end up together after all and it isn't a open ending or something like that?
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:28   Link #3538
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generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
Assuming I'm understanding the second line correctly that kills the ambiguity I guess. It still is phrased in a coy way though.

Edit: What are those last lines in reference to though, I'm confused
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:29   Link #3539
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generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
Hm.

Well, anyway, there's other bits from the interview:
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>Fushimi says that he was very busy leading up to the end of Volume 12, and he couldn't play Far Cry 3 ;_;
>In th Manami part, the interviewer says something like "In the Manami part, Kirino's taunting was like something from "Kuma-AA" http://matsucon.net/material/art/aa11.html [クマーAA]" no idea. Trolling, maybe?
>Fushimi retorts that because the setup is different, Manami reacted differently. I don't know how to format the rest.
>Sena and Makabe have been shipped by the author since the volumes they were introduced (Volume 5). Poor Akagi.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:36   Link #3540
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・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 -complete kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
12巻は、そんなお話です。 volume 12 is that kind of story, ( is this the line you speak, tommycat) ??
@s0beit : the Kuma is quite famous in japan otaku, so it might be a reference
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