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MeoTwister5 · 2013-09-29, 03:01

I'm sure that the level of training doesn't even come close to Western special forces.

SaintessHeart · 2013-09-29, 03:16

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I'm sure that the level of training doesn't even come close to Western special forces.

You underestimate African combat ability. Their weakness lies in funding/corruption and typical bureaucracy, not troop capability. Though they could use better training in FIBUA, if the SASF can do it (see the Ultimate Challenge for details), why can't they?

The PH Marines had similar problems - give them better guns and combat support (armoured recon vehicles, gunboats with MLRS capability and laser targeting systems via drones), and they will end the Zamboanga crisis in less than a week.

Yu Ominae · 2013-09-29, 03:50

Plus the fact that Kenyan government called on the GSU to resolve the siege. Pics are floating around that they're armed with SCARs.

SaintessHeart · 2013-09-29, 04:01

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Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

Plus the fact that Kenyan government called on the GSU to resolve the siege. Pics are floating around that they're armed with SCARs.

Where the heck do they get the money. It is like US$2.6K per piece, compared to a 416 which was like US$1.8k per piece.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-09-29, 04:32

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I'm sure that the level of training doesn't even come close to Western special forces.

If anything they have something just as good; real life combat experience. They might not be Navy Seals, and are likely not that good at rescuing people, but I am not going to doubt the capacity of these guys to kill things. After all, they are still alive. Africa has conflicts rival those in the Middle East, and anyone who survived long enough in those battles gets my respect, no matter where they came from.

Jinto · 2013-09-29, 06:09

The propability of colateral damage will rise significantly when you have to opt for military special forces units instead of spec ops police units.

The difference is not just their training but also the attitude of the people in such units. Typically police units (e.g. SWAT, GSG 9) are more de-escalation oriented and prefer an ask first then shoot mentality. Typically these units are better in negotiating and gathering valuable information for intervention through negotiating. In general these forces are often more reactively solving conflicts (it can still be considered active though). However, typically they do not have to deal with resistance using military grade weapons.

The far more devastating and deadly force of the resistance that military special forces (e.g. SAS, DEVGRU, Delta Force, KSK, Speznaz) have to deal with, makes them use a more escalation oriented strategy. However, using such strategies predominently makes such units less capable in the fields of information gathering and negotiation. They act more proactively in order to minimize the time they are exposed to the very deadly force of the resistance they face. But thats also the reason why these units are not ideal as anti terror units in ym oppinion (at least not in hostage situations).

ganbaru · 2013-09-29, 06:34

House pushes U.S. to the edge of a shutdown
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1
Little update on the Republican's position.

Yu Ominae · 2013-09-29, 07:37

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Where the heck do they get the money. It is like US$2.6K per piece, compared to a 416 which was like US$1.8k per piece.

I doubt the Kenyan police will reply to that. But I won't be surprised if American (and perhaps British) money aid provided them the funds to buy the SCARs.

Kenya's regarded as one of the most stable countries in Africa.

JokerD · 2013-09-29, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Yea it's quite sad how they're willing to fuck everyone else over so they can keep themselves nice and comfortable.

A shutdown should kick them to the streets; I mean who's paying for them to do nothing?

Sorry, should and would is not the same thing...
In Government Shutdown, Congress Members Still Get Paid While Federal Workers Wait In Limbo

SeijiSensei · 2013-09-29, 10:50

Japan’s Leader Gives No Ground in Islands Dispute

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But Mr. Abe, a conservative who wants to strengthen Japan’s military, made clear that for Japan the question of who owned the uninhabited islands in the East China Sea was not open to negotiation.

Mr. Abe appeared to be responding in part to remarks by Wang Yi, China’s foreign minister, who said at an appearance last week at the Brookings Institution in Washington that China wanted to resolve the issue peacefully but that Japan had to first acknowledge that ownership of the islands is in dispute.

Same old, same old.

ganbaru · 2013-09-29, 11:23

From Bachmann, a persuasive case for why many Republicans don't fear a shutdown
http://washingtonexaminer.com/from-m...rticle/2536546

Archon_Wing · 2013-09-29, 16:57

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Originally Posted by JokerD

Sorry, should and would is not the same thing...
In Government Shutdown, Congress Members Still Get Paid While Federal Workers Wait In Limbo

Yep, that's why I pointed out this crap. The incentives for actions are different.

Malkuth · 2013-09-29, 18:14

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Japan’s Leader Gives No Ground in Islands Dispute

Same old, same old.

Dictatorial capitalists in China, stalinist (turned maoist) communists in N.Korea, one-party corrupt democracies in S.Korea and Japan, and the nazi Kuomintang of Taiwan... dunno, it's a miracle that there hasn't been any war in the region since the '60s, in the Indo-European and Cushitic worlds it takes us less than a decade to slaughter each other (on multiple historical occasions) when we had such a deadly combo

Now, on less sarcastic mood, nationalism, populism, fundamentalism and other ideologies of conservatism are resurging world-wide, which is very alarming, much more than the nuclear deterrent era, where at least societies (of all three worlds) prospered (relatively speaking, considering their individual history) united under the fear of annihilation, which was less probable than now.

SaintessHeart · 2013-09-29, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Dictatorial capitalists in China, stalinist (turned maoist) communists in N.Korea, one-party corrupt democracies in S.Korea and Japan, and the nazi Kuomintang of Taiwan... dunno, it's a miracle that there hasn't been any war in the region since the '60s, in the Indo-European and Cushitic worlds it takes us less than a decade to slaughter each other (on multiple historical occasions) when we had such a deadly combo

Now, on less sarcastic mood, nationalism, populism, fundamentalism and other ideologies of conservatism are resurging world-wide, which is very alarming, much more than the nuclear deterrent era, where at least societies (of all three worlds) prospered (relatively speaking, considering their individual history) united under the fear of annihilation, which was less probable than now.

We are competing with each other to see who has the world's most efficient factories and exploitable masses.

That is the new Asian identity. *sarcasm*

Sumeragi · 2013-09-29, 20:01

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Japan’s Leader Gives No Ground in Islands Dispute

Same old, same old.

Ironically, Japan raises a fuss every time Korea says the same thing over Dokdo.

maplehurry · 2013-09-29, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Ironically, Japan raises a fuss every time Korea says the same thing over Dokdo.

Yup, same thing. Though at least Japan doesn't send planes and ships there to troll like China does

ganbaru · 2013-09-29, 20:49

Who'll blink? Dems, GOP in shutdown stare down
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-29-20-32-31

States resist, build nascent insurance markets
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-29-13-53-46

Nigeria: Militants kill students in college attack
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-29-16-01-14

SaintessHeart · 2013-09-30, 05:11

OZ Minerals says received no bid from Glencore

So the Aussies are supplying metal to Japan to build Gundams?

Tiberium Wolf · 2013-09-30, 15:10

Venezuela jail search yields arsenal

Items found in Sabaneta jail

22,767 rounds of ammunition
105 firearms
92 home-made stab weapons
75 knives
5 grenades
2 mortars
Tear gas canisters
12kg of drugs
135 mobile phones

"The sweep also uncovered tunnels of up to 15m (50ft) depth, in which more than 12kg (26lb) of marijuana and cocaine were stored."

Man! If they had all that stuff why didn't get out by force?

Xellos-_^ · 2013-09-30, 15:31

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Originally Posted by Tiberium Wolf

Venezuela jail search yields arsenal

Items found in Sabaneta jail

22,767 rounds of ammunition
105 firearms
92 home-made stab weapons
75 knives
5 grenades
2 mortars
Tear gas canisters
12kg of drugs
135 mobile phones

"The sweep also uncovered tunnels of up to 15m (50ft) depth, in which more than 12kg (26lb) of marijuana and cocaine were stored."

Man! If they had all that stuff why didn't get out by force?

because the crime lord who controls the prison probably treats it as a Vacation home.

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