Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel Movie Discussion Thread

[Nayim]

They learn from Tsukihime remake where some characters got new costume design like Arc & Ciel for example.

Huh, I found irony...

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Kanon

What do you guys think about Shirou, Rin and Saber getting new casual outfits? Shirou and Saber will probably end up looking better, but is it really possible to improve Rin? The red sweater + short skirt + stockings combination was godly. If they remove her zettai ryouiki, we riot.

Actually, while I agree with your point that Rin’s usual getup is already iconic and looks boss, some variations for her casual clothing won’t hurt. Unless she really like that sweater and has a hundred of 'em in her wardrobe to wear for the entire series .

[GDB]

I think it's more like they realized the story takes place over the course of 2-3 weeks, and as such the characters probably need more than one pair of clothes.

[ukulelembo]

Direct source for everything:


Now we need just translation.

[Nayim]

From Beast Lair's info so far:

Miura: The content of Fate/Stay Night should be assembled to follow the vector introduced by Fate/Zero, we are following that logic. If we succeed things should become interesting. There is one more thing, from the time I received the post of director I decided one thing. That is to draw precisely the character who is Emiya Shirou. Shirou who is incomplete as a magician and doesn't possess any worthwile talent in the first stage of the story, adding to that Saber who is tied to an incomplete summoning, who doesn't receive enough mana and who can't fight at full strength. Despite this while claiming to Saber "Women shouldn't fights", he still throw himself in the frontine. Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character with one wrong move. But playing the original game I realized he wasn't just an idiot who wanted to become a hero, but someone who's heart is warped somewhere. Why did he become this way, by understanding and despiting this I'm sure he could become a very attractive protagonist.

[GDB]

If "Women shouldn't fight" is a centerpiece of what the anime will be, then I fear it's yet another freaking Fate route.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by GDB

If "Women shouldn't fight" is a centerpiece of what the anime will be, then I fear it's yet another freaking Fate route.

thats not claimed as a centerpiece. It's just describing how Shiro is in all the routes.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Esclair

I think the only way it'd work is if the core is the HF route, with a few major changes/additions:

Spoiler for Visual Novel:

-Resolve Saber's story. I think either Shirou somehow succeeds in saving Saber Alter or they resolve Saber's regrets before she dies.
-Add in the Shirou/Archer conflict from UBW and add Shirou's knowledge of his future to this route.
-Don't kill off Gil so easily.

Well, whilst I think they'd have to include a significant part of HF to cover everything, I don't think you could resolve Saber's story without significant changes.

Spoiler for HF:

Saber's role in HF more or less relies on you having played through the first two routes and caring for her. She gets little real character development, and once she turns Dark she is not much more than a generic villain to kill, aside from her importance to Shirou.

As for the Shirou/Archer thing, them coming into conflict like they did in UBW just doesn't make sense. Archer goes after Shirou more in UBW because he is following the same self-destructive ideal that Archer himself followed. In HF, Shirou abandons that and decides to put the people he cares for first, which is much more like Archer's own attitude (hence why he tends to protect Rin and Ilya). So, they have nothing to fight for.

Also, HF already has Shirou finding out who Archer is. It's just not really shown as being a big deal because the reader already knows.

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Because HF's plot threads would probably be most important in it, and ufotable would actually get the feeling and tone of fate/stay night down more properly, they'd do justice to the characters, it wouldn't be a low budget piece of crap, etc.

I can go on and on really.

Well, sure, but, fundamentally, it would just be a remake of the Deen anime, only hopefully better-executed. Deen tried to include as much of HF as they could fit, they just tacked it on in one arc and then ignored it in order that they could return to the standard Fate plot.

Originally Posted by Moeterum

So it really isn't an adaptation for HF, oh well.

I guess it make sense to focus on Saber, and they didn't gave us any satisfying battle between her and Gil, so NOT to give us one in their FSN adaptation would be weird won't it?

I don't think that necessarily follows. The picture is just a picture of all the servants, even Shirou is absent (well, in his normal form, anyway...).

Originally Posted by The Green One

You'd think the Sakura haters would be wanting an HF adapation most of all so we could watch how much Sakura's life horrifically sucks and see her suffer.

No, I'd imagine Sakura haters would want something like MoS,

Spoiler:

where her life is shown to suck and then she dies anyway....

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by Nayim

From Beast Lair's info so far:

The director understand Emiya Shirou as a character? Praise teh lord!

[Sansker]

"Women shouldn't fights" is not his most likeable trace of personality. And I agree with that sentence: “Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character” because it does. And yes, I did play the game. Why he has to be the protagonist? I think Saber could fill that role better than he does and not just because she can actually fight.

In any case, if they are going with mister I-Am-A-Hero-Of-Justice there I think they need to change the focus of the game. Because potential there is but the actual way they use it is another thing. And he still remains as my least favorite part of this franchise. Hey I didn’t like UBW because it has to do so much with him and Archer.

[Kanon]

To me, it sounds like another Fate adaptation. The aspect of Shirou's character the director seems to be focusing so strongly on is mostly present in that route. He also mentions Saber being gimped by her incomplete summoning, which I don't recall being such a big problem in other routes.

I think they're going to do Fate andinclude elements from UBW and HF. So basically what DEEN tried to do and failed hard at.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Kanon

To me, it sounds like another Fate adaptation. The aspect of Shirou's character the director seems to be focusing so strongly on is mostly present in that route. He also mentions Saber being gimped by her incomplete summoning, which I don't recall being such a big problem in other routes.

I think they're going to do Fate and include elements from UBW and HF. So basically what DEEN tried to do and failed hard at.

If you're talking about Shirou's personality then UBW and HF really go into it a lot more than Fate. Those two really go into his reasons, the consequences, and testing just what is more important to him.

Hell no on a combination. The 3 routes are too different from each other (more so with Heaven's Feel than the others) to properly combine all 3. It will only end up the same as the Deen anime.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Hell no on a combination. The 3 routes are too different from each other (more so with Heaven's Feel than the others) to properly combine all 3. It will only end up the same as the Deen anime.

No they're not. What Saber learns in UBW is exactly the same as Fate, only without the romance and sex.

[TwilightsCall]

^ I would contest that statement.

Spoiler for just in case:

In Fate, Saber came to terms with the moral and emotional implications of her wish to replace herself with someone else as King of Britain, and ultimately decides against fulfilling her own wish - before she learns the grail is corrupted.

In UBW, Saber is basically towed along behind the story, comes in at the end where they notice the grail is corrupt, and takes up arms against it. She never has to face the implications of her wish as the chance at having it fulfilled is taken away before she is made to think about it.

There is very little character development for Saber in UBW or HF, whereas her development alongside Shirou is the main focus of Fate. The end result may be the same, in that her wish isn't granted in any of the three routes, but the only route in which she actually comes to terms with reality and accepts her fate and the fate of her kingdom, as it were, is in the Fate route. The same sort of thing "sort of" happens at the end of UBW, but it's really shoehorned in and feels almost like an afterthought, and I can't help but feel like it was just thrown in to take some of the tragedy out of Saber's disappearance rather than as an actual attempt at displaying character development.

[MeoTwister5]

To comment on the director's take on Shirou, one of the reasons DEEN failed so hard with their presentation on him and why a lot of people dislike him is because they overplayed his main character role while failing to show is personal demons and contradictions as a character. In the end because of this he becomes a self righteous weaksauce master with a white knight complex.

At least the new director knows this and will try to present Shirou better. Hopefully.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by TwilightsCall

^ I would contest that statement.

Spoiler for just in case:

In UBW, Saber is basically towed along behind the story, comes in at the end where they notice the grail is corrupt, and takes up arms against it. She never has to face the implications of her wish as the chance at having it fulfilled is taken away before she is made to think about it.

There is very little character development for Saber in UBW or HF, whereas her development alongside Shirou is the main focus of Fate. The end result may be the same, in that her wish isn't granted in any of the three routes, but the only route in which she actually comes to terms with reality and accepts her fate and the fate of her kingdom, as it were, is in the Fate route. The same sort of thing "sort of" happens at the end of UBW, but it's really shoehorned in and feels almost like an afterthought, and I can't help but feel like it was just thrown in to take some of the tragedy out of Saber's disappearance rather than as an actual attempt at displaying character development.

What? A character can still receive development even if she is not the "focus".

Also

Spoiler for UBW:

Even if the focus was Shirou, it doesn't change that Saber still discovers the Grail is still not exactly the wish granting tool she wanted. Unlike in the previous War, Saber still fully supports destroying the Grail in this route.

Additionally, Archer's criticism of Shirou's ideals also applies to Saber. Both of them strived to protect others to a fault, and Shirou's "victory" effectively justifies Saber's past.

You want to talk about shoehorning? How about Shirou's constant browbeating about how girls shouldn't fight in the Fate route?

[Brother Coa]

So all in all they have decided to let original writer, who wrote original F/SN ) rewrite the story the way he wants for the anime. This was probably the best idea.

So it will probably be as I said, in a way - he will probably go with combining all three routes. But in a way that he will take the most important happenings from all three routes ( for example he will definitely write school incident and Saber's battle for Medusa, fight in the church with Caster, fight against shadow etc... ) but write new story-line between them that will combine all of them perfectly. With old material and the way everything happened in VN it would be impossible to combine all three, but with this ( writing totally new story-line ) it will be more than possible - especially if done by the guy who basically wrote the original F/SN.

So the only question that remains is how he will write it? We only know that Shirou will be main protagonist ( surprise, surprise ) and pretty much nothing else beside it will have same tone and feel like true F/Z successor. Who will be his love interest, what will his ideal be in the end and will he lose Saber or no will pretty much determine the route we will see. I only have one wish: if he decide to end it like Fate route I want for him to include Realta Nua extended ending. That will complete the entire franchise for me.

@Shadow5YA

There is one BIG difference between Fate and UBW scenarios regarding Saber:

Spoiler for Difference:

While in UBW she is for destroying the Grail and she is pretty much the same like in Fate, it is in Fate and only in Fate where the most important thing happens to her - she finally understand her mistake. She cannot change the past and she should just leave it be and be proud of what happened to her and how the things play out.
And that is why only in Fate route she ends up in Avalon while in all others she just return to the beginning and into another Grail War, another reality.

So no, she doesn't learn the exactly same thing in UBW just like she do in Fate. For Grail is only one thing and her purpose is totally another.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

So all in all they have decided to let original writer, who wrote original F/SN ) rewrite the story the way he wants for the anime. This was probably the best idea.

So it will probably be as I said, in a way - he will probably go with combining all three routes. But in a way that he will take the most important happenings from all three routes ( for example he will definitely write school incident and Saber's battle for Medusa, fight in the church with Caster, fight against shadow etc... ) but write new story-line between them that will combine all of them perfectly. With old material and the way everything happened in VN it would be impossible to combine all three, but with this ( writing totally new story-line ) it will be more than possible - especially if done by the guy who basically wrote the original F/SN.

So the only question that remains is how he will write it? We only know that Shirou will be main protagonist ( surprise, surprise ) and pretty much nothing else beside it will have same tone and feel like true F/Z successor. Who will be his love interest, what will his ideal be in the end and will he lose Saber or no will pretty much determine the route we will see. I only have one wish: if he decide to end it like Fate route I want for him to include Realta Nua extended ending. That will complete the entire franchise for me.

@Shadow5YA

There is one BIG difference between Fate and UBW scenarios regarding Saber:

Spoiler for Difference:

While in UBW she is for destroying the Grail and she is pretty much the same like in Fate, it is in Fate and only in Fate where the most important thing happens to her - she finally understand her mistake. She cannot change the past and she should just leave it be and be proud of what happened to her and how the things play out.
And that is why only in Fate route she ends up in Avalon while in all others she just return to the beginning and into another Grail War, another reality.

So no, she doesn't learn the exactly same thing in UBW just like she do in Fate. For Grail is only one thing and her purpose is totally another.

Wrong. She understands her mistake in either route. All you're doing is interpreting the Realta Nua ending to an extreme. You do realize that ending was pretty much just giving Shirou x Saber pairing a happy ending, right?

[TJR]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

So all in all they have decided to let original writer, who wrote original F/SN ) rewrite the story the way he wants for the anime. This was probably the best idea.

No, all they've confirmed is that Kinoko Nasu attends script planning meetings and offers input. Actually, he has participated in this capacity since the original Fate/Stay Night anime (for which he served as script supervisor and helped break the story down into 24 episodes), so the arrangement isn't new. Type-Moon tends to be closely involved with anime adaptations and licensed spin-offs.

If Kara no Kyoukai and Fate/Zero are indications, ufotable's employees (production managers and assistants, etc.) may write the scripts, which gives the studio a sense of ownership over the entire product.

[Brother Coa]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Wrong. She understands her mistake in either route.

This is not true, she only understand her mistake in Fate route. That is why she get's to Avalon only in Fate route. Fate/Zero pretty much explained that each time she fail to acquire the grail she is sent back to Calamn and from there in another Grail War. And the only time she broke the contract is in Fate route, she ddn't do that in UBW and she pretty much died in HF at that monastery.

No, all they've confirmed is that Kinoko Nasu attends script planning meetings and offers input.

Yeah, but as I understand this time he will have more say in the things so they will pretty much do it how he tells them. In that case we will get the story as close to the original one. IT will be like he is actually writing it in a sense.