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Old 2014-01-10, 03:31   Link #201
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Just a general observation here.

It seems that beyond original expectations that the streaming market is alive and healthy? Can I say that?
Why is it "beyond original expectations"? For several years now, I've seen many anime fans (not necessarily here on AS, but throughout the internet as a whole) predict both of the following...

1) Physical media is going to die.

2) The future of anime is in digital distribution.


Well, these predictors seem to be wrong about 1 (at least as it pertains to anime), but 2 is starting to look up for them.

The success of CR proves that many anime fans were sincere about wanting a legal digital distribution method as long as it addressed speed (simulcast) and price (not that expensive) concerns. I don't find it that surprising, especially in an increasingly on-line world.


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I think that while there still will always be a fansub movement, that the companies have FINALLY made some headway in providing what fans have wanted all along.
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Now, call me nostalgic and naive. But I still kinda think that an anime has REALLY made it, if it's on TV. (Give Attack on Titan a good dub and an 11pm saturday nite slot on Adult Swim and easily 1 million each week). What do you all think?
So does this mean that Space Dandy has already REALLY made it?
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Old 2014-01-10, 05:39   Link #202
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Why is it "beyond original expectations"? For several years now, I've seen many anime fans (not necessarily here on AS, but throughout the internet as a whole) predict both of the following...

1) Physical media is going to die.

2) The future of anime is in digital distribution.

Well, these predictors seem to be wrong about 1 (at least as it pertains to anime), but 2 is starting to look up for them.
Yeah, but go back five years and I don't think many people would have predicted that the industry would get its act together so quickly. There was a time when legal digital anime essentially meant really shitty streams designed to encourage you to trade up to the DVD and some DRMed 360P stuff from Funimation.

So yes, I am shocked that:
a) CR is allowed to stream 720P over what seems to be the long term (and not just for a few months until the discs come out).
b) That you can get so much stuff from just CR and don't have to mess around with a lot of different content providers and their in house systems.

To be honest, I worry that things will become more fragmented over time. Though to be fair, I find it surprising that Netflix has as much content provider support as it does too.

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So does this mean that Space Dandy has already REALLY made it?
Different scenario. For Attack on Titan, getting on CN would be like getting drafted to go from juniors to the big league. Space Dandy's position strikes me more as more akin to "starting a playoff run". The definition of REALLY MAKING IT gets reset.
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Old 2014-01-10, 08:56   Link #203
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So does this mean that Space Dandy has already REALLY made it?
Nah. Dandy was made mostly for the Western audience, and cannot be used to gauge if anime "has made it".
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Old 2014-01-10, 08:59   Link #204
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Yeah, but go back five years and I don't think many people would have predicted that the industry would get its act together so quickly.
Five years is a pretty long time for an entertainment industry to get its act together, if you ask me. If it took much longer, I'd strongly suspect either gross incompetence on the part of the anime industry, or that the digital distribution method wasn't as potentially lucrative as a lot of anime fans thought it was.

Only incredibly dumb entertainment industries leave a lot of money on the table for no good reason for several years. And whatever faults there may be about the anime industry, they've long struck me as being very good at maximizing revenue streams from their core fandom. So perhaps that's why I'm not surprised or shocked that we are where we are now - I've never considered the anime industry that incompetent. I was confident that if foreign fans proved there was significant income to be had in pursuing digital distribution, that the anime industry would be there soon enough. Thankfully, it looks like foreign fans proved that (through CR), and so here we are today.


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Different scenario. For Attack on Titan, getting on CN would be like getting drafted to go from juniors to the big league. Space Dandy's position strikes me more as more akin to "starting a playoff run". The definition of REALLY MAKING IT gets reset.
What makes the difference, in your view? Because I didn't see any qualifiers in what Solomon wrote.
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Old 2014-01-10, 14:57   Link #205
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Hmmmm, my "really made it" was on the 90s/y2k kinda thought that a show could really go places in terms of audience reach and therefore prestige if on tv. Cause you know back in the day all you had was the DVD releases and fansubs but if you made it on tv, it was a huge thing for the show and potential ripple effects in getting more casuals to watch it.

But remember im a 90s/y2k kid so i remember those heady toonami/adultswim days with rosy nostalgia.

I guess, "really made it" was a bad choice of words.

What I wanted to say is that while, streaming is good for most stuff. I still think that if you get 1 or 2 market friendly shows on the air, it really is a hallmark in the domestic industry, especially in this contracting times.

As for incompetence from the industry, I think the ANN answerman pointed out the fact that anime is controlled by big Japanese corporations who even by conservative western standards are VERY stodgy, risk averse and inward looking. The Japanese DVD and Goods market is always gonna be the main bread and butter but obviously fansubs were cutting into potential overseas profits so much that they FINALLY moved on it.

At least that's how I interpret it.

On fox zero's worry about fragmentation.............

Generally more providers is better for the consumers but because anime is so niche it CAN be worrysome if you reach a breaking point. Then you seem like you're no different from the heady DVD bubble days.

What is the Netflix situation? Do they have a limited library? Because Hulu is one thing, but add netflix (specifically a netflix administered wide anime lineup) to the library and you potentially have more consumers than just those hardcores seeking out crunchyroll, neon alley and the like.
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Old 2014-01-10, 15:20   Link #206
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@solomon - Ok, I see what you're saying now.

In spite of my age, I only started delving heavily into anime around 2006 or so. So I'm more familiar with the more modern context rather than the 90s/early turn of the century one where anime was going strong in the west.

Truly new anime showing up on Adult Swim again is certainly a good sign for the anime industry.
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Old 2014-01-10, 16:20   Link #207
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Five years is a pretty long time for an entertainment industry to get its act together, if you ask me. If it took much longer, I'd strongly suspect either gross incompetence on the part of the anime industry, or that the digital distribution method wasn't as potentially lucrative as a lot of anime fans thought it was.

Only incredibly dumb entertainment industries leave a lot of money on the table for no good reason for several years. And whatever faults there may be about the anime industry, they've long struck me as being very good at maximizing revenue streams from their core fandom. So perhaps that's why I'm not surprised or shocked that we are where we are now - I've never considered the anime industry that incompetent. I was confident that if foreign fans proved there was significant income to be had in pursuing digital distribution, that the anime industry would be there soon enough. Thankfully, it looks like foreign fans proved that (through CR), and so here we are today.
IMO, CR's success has stemmed from it acquiring enough shows - especially first runners - to a) make its subscriptions a good value and b) give it an immense profile in the industry. Funimation offers subscription services priced similarly to CR's, but I don't think anyone here would argue that Funi's option is competitive for people wanting first-run anime.

I never expected them to have so much success in acquiring shows. They've completely and utterly steamrollered the competition in that regard Even in hindsight I can't thing of any evidence that would suggest they'd have such success in acquisitions.

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What makes the difference, in your view? Because I didn't see any qualifiers in what Solomon wrote.
Normally, I consider a show's success from the perspective of the Japanese companies involved in financing and producing it. For them, getting on Cartoon Network really is making it in the US.

What makes Space Dandy different IMO is that Cartoon Network appears to be making such a big bet on it (as indicated by it getting simulcast). IMO, that means their expectations of it should also be entered into an evaluation of whether the show is successful or not.
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Old 2014-02-22, 04:42   Link #208
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“If you watch just Naruto, your subscription money goes toward supporting that show. If you watch more than one show, the money is split proportionately among those shows depending on which ones you watch the most.”
If you pay $7 a month to CR and CR pays 60% of it, CR pays $4.2 a month to the rights holders.

If you watch 100 episodes a month, each episode would get $4.2 / 100 = $0.042 per episode
If you watch 50 episodes a month, each episode would get $4.2/50 = $0.084 per episode

If you watch 1 episode a month, that episode will get $4.2

If you watch 0 episode a month, then everybody get an equal share / similar to assuming all episodes get watched.

At least that is how I interpreted it.
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IMO, CR's success has stemmed from it acquiring enough shows - especially first runners - to a) make its subscriptions a good value and b) give it an immense profile in the industry. Funimation offers subscription services priced similarly to CR's, but I don't think anyone here would argue that Funi's option is competitive for people wanting first-run anime.
Bringing this thread back up because it seems that Funi has made a move and is aquiring more shows recently so I looked into subscribing to them but they don't cover ireland so I wondered if there was any way to watch it legally, and look funi has a deal with viewster.com and sure enough I watched death parade there and I guess funi's spring shows will be there too? not sure.

What has me confused though is there's stuff I watched on crunchy there too,so not exactly sure how that worked, and you don't ever hear about them so I was wondering if anyone has more info?Especially on how they plan to survive on a business that has no subscibtion whatsoever? And are their vids region locked, can someone in the US see them?
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What has me confused though is there's stuff I watched on crunchy there too,so not exactly sure how that worked, and you don't ever hear about them so I was wondering if anyone has more info? Especially on how they plan to survive on a business that has no subscription whatsoever? And are their vids region locked, can someone in the US see them?
I live in the US and pay a monthly subscription fee of US$7 to watch everything on Crunchyroll without advertising on a variety of devices. All streams are region-locked to satisfy the restrictions imposed on CR by the licensors in Japan. I believe that US viewers can watch the broadest array of licensed content on Crunchyroll. People in other countries complain about their more limited options.

Apparently the annoying little "hiccups" that sometimes occur during high demand hours are also the result of DRM. Flash DRM does not allow CR to send the content to you as one continuous stream, another fruitless effort to combat video piracy.
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I live in the US and pay a monthly subscription fee of US$7 to watch everything on Crunchyroll without advertising on a variety of devices. All streams are region-locked to satisfy the restrictions imposed on CR by the licensors in Japan. I believe that US viewers can watch the broadest array of licensed content on Crunchyroll. People in other countries complain about their more limited options.

Apparently the annoying little "hiccups" that sometimes occur during high demand hours are also the result of DRM. Flash DRM does not allow CR to send the content to you as one continuous stream, another fruitless effort to combat video piracy.
Sorry maybe I didn't make myself clear. I am a crunchyroll subscriber, they have plenty of titles available for the european market as well so the subscription is worth it.

I'm curious about viewster, here's death parade for example.
It baffles me that funimation would have a subscribtion service and then just let this website stream it for free.

But i did get part of my answer here , so it seems I got lucky with Death Parade and it was available in Ireland but not so lucky with spring shows.

All I'm trying to figure out is if something isn't licensed by crunchy (who cover Ireland most of the time) is there a way for me to watch it legally?

edit: while a lot of crunchy titles are available in Ireland there's exceptions,take Plastic Memories, here's crunchyroll's press release:

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Plastic Memories will be available to audiences in North America, Central America, South America, and Europe excluding the UK, Republic of Ireland, Germany, Austria and Liechtenstein.
Now good thing is these days I'm spending half my weeks in Denmark, so I can watch it there but if someone has Irish rights I don't know who, it's not daisuki, I can't get it from there either it seems.

Other shows I'm looking into is Show by Rock and Blood Blockade Battlefront.

I'm getting flashbacks to the days of figuring out what fansub group was subbing the show I was interested in
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Old 2016-07-29, 12:51   Link #212
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http://variety.com/2016/digital/news...oo-1201825490/

I don't know about you guys, but this kind of makes me uneasy. The last time something big happened (when they got bought out a couple years ago), we saw a surge in commercials for free users. If I don't log in, instead of seeing two 15-30 second commercials per break, now there are three to four commercials, often all of which are a minute long.

I guess it's good for CR, since their subscribers seems to have over doubled since the previous acquisition, but I'm ambivalent, since I don't want to see it possibly going down CN's route of throwing in crappy original programming at the expense of licensing material and retaining those licenses.
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Old 2016-07-29, 15:03   Link #213
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I'm not too worried personally. There's a lot of content produced every season, and a lot of it is going to end up on Crunchyroll. If they don't want it, there's always Funimation standing in the wings. (Who knows what's up with Daisuki?) Maybe CR will produce one or two new shows per quarter. I don't see that radically changing the balance of its programming.

I'm surprised anyone watches ads at Crunchy when a membership is so cheap. If you pay in larger than monthly blocks, a month of CR costs about the same as a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
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Yeah, but people are cheap. A lot of people in my former department just use adblock and then try to discourage me from spending my own money on a subscription. Not to mention there's probably a shit ton of people using aggregate anime sites.

And you're right, it's true there's Funimation... Though that would mean the license wouldn't go to Sentai, VIZ, etc.
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Using Adblock isn't always because of ads taking out most people's bandwidth. It's also because some ads are intrusive, distracting against the content you're supposed to view, and can sometimes be NSFW or filled with malware (sometimes even the no-click varieties).

As long as ads are actually relevant to the content (like anime ads on anime streaming sites, for example), I'm actually fine with it.
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Old 2016-09-08, 21:42   Link #216
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An update of streaming partnerships between Crunchyroll and Funimation:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...eo-est/.106234
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Kun Gao, Crunchyroll co-founder and general manager, told ANN that he and Fukunaga met in June at a conference and started discussions then about working together. Gao stated that Crunchyroll wanted to build "the best fan experience" with the company's goal to simulcast every anime. "We're getting closer to that goal every quarter, but it's challenging," Gao stated. "Funimation runs a great service and they get a ton of great titles as well each season, fans had to make a choice, or subscribe to both services. It wasn't an optimal fan experience, for simulcasts."
Colour me impressed - it's one thing to recognize that market fragmentation is a major threat to the value of your product, quite another to cooperate and do something about it like this.
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Not sure if you're being facetious, but CR actually produces some revenue (however little) for the actual creators of the shows.

This seems specially important in an industry in which many studios seem to more or less always be on the edge of bankruptcy.
well, if you really want to help industry, just buy the bluray you are helping them infinitely better than forcing yourself to use some 3rd rate streaming platform and playing moral highground (a lot of people on internet forum worship this site and shit on any other site)
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well, if you really want to help industry, just buy the bluray you are helping them infinitely better than forcing yourself to use some 3rd rate streaming platform and playing moral highground (a lot of people on internet forum worship this site and shit on any other site)
Not everyone is willing to shell out that much.

The issue here is wanting to give back to the industry in some way. In my view something is better than nothing. Given the choice of options I don't see anything wrong with wanting to pay a subscription fee for CR or Funi or the like as a way to give back to the anime medium ... the quality of Funi is pretty poor, but some of the other sites (CR included) are frankly not that bad, at least in my opinion. It's not "ideal" for everyone in terms of quality, but it is usually very good in terms of "getting the episode out" to viewers very soon after it airs in Japan.

And in terms of "taking a moral high ground" as you hinted at here that is absolutely not the issue for many people here. People want to support the industry but are not willing to spend lots on the previously existing standards that focus on expensive disc volumes. This thread discusses more of the shifting viewing medium more and more users are moving towards. And insisting on supporting an old model that is obviously slowly dying as "the way to really help the industry" in this light ... frankly does not make sense to me - though it may be just me in this case.

Like other posters in that thread, I am willing to spend something in the 20$ range for BD/DVD, and have, (as is the case with other mediums like movies or tv series), but not something like 50$ and certainly not something like 90$ in one chunk. Trickling a slow amount of funds on a monthly basis is much easier for me, as I think it is for a fair number of other viewers.

More specifically the article linked above essentially said that Funi was going to transition out of the sub market and focus on dubs, while facilitating CR (in terms of licensing and the rest) to acquire series - a license partnership of sorts. I think that is a great thing. While I have not been happy and was not willing to pay for Funi's streaming services for subs, I was glad to see them steadily and consistently focusing on dubs for those who like them. As far as I can tell it is a win/win situation for American viewers at least (can't speak about other countries).
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So I just read the list of CR announcements for the winter season and once again I feel like I'm in some kind of backwater location far from civilization.

Out of 23 announced shows 13 are available in my location while 10 aren't. Out of those unavailable I'm interested in 7 or them, out of the available I'm interested in 4. Options are virtually non-existant since my alternatives are Netflix, Amazon Prime, Viewster and Daisuki each with their own failures (most don't even do simulcasts, the other is Daisuki which doesn't work on PS3 nor Chromecast).

This is seriously trying. I don't want to resort to other, "alternative" methods, but they leave me with little choice. For many of these shows I can't even wait for the home release since Region 1/B doesn't really get as many releases as the US does.

*sigh* Sorry, I just had to vent a little bit.
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