2006-05-17, 01:18 | Link #1 |
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Fansub hits, dvd flops? I'm curious.
Are there any shows that were hits in the fansubbing community, but flopped when they got licensed?
I was thinking about why some really popular shows never get licensed, and that got me wondering how much fansub popularity indicates dvd sales. |
2006-05-17, 03:19 | Link #2 |
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I think fansub popularity is pretty indicative of the DVD popularity. If you look at the torrents for files you will see that.
Older anime's with solid stories that won't make it in the U.S. run with a max of around 500 dowloads at any one time and thats only for the first day or so. Animes (lets just say Naruto when it wasn't liscensed) that are popular are getting upwards of 20k downloads at a time and that maintains at about a 10-15k level for a few days. I think the only way to answer your question is to decide at what point an anime has become a 'hit' in the fansub community? |
2006-05-17, 09:08 | Link #3 | ||
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Quoth Industry Rep: We look and see it got 50k bittorent downloads and we look at the sales and there is definitely a gap. (This is paraphrased of an exact quote with some editing, he did not explicity mention bittorrent.) Quoth Geneon(Otakon 03, (and 04?)): "Fansubs help sales of good series, fansubs hurt sales of bad series". Geneon has actually spit out a list of underpreformers multiple times, but I never really take a note. Quote:
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2006-05-17, 09:27 | Link #5 | |
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Kimi ga Nozomu Eien was licensed by FUNimation because of its fansub popularity, although they didn't say that in quite so many words. If it flops, it'll send a clear message to companies that they can't take risks on fansub hits, either because such shows won't appeal to regular consumers, or because people who helped make an anime popular when it was being fansubbed won't support the official release. |
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2006-05-17, 09:36 | Link #6 | ||
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2006-05-17, 09:41 | Link #7 | |
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But anyway, those who are interested in seeing a different industry perspective can read the PDF transcript of the CPM interview here. |
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2006-05-17, 09:50 | Link #8 | |
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There are rumours that Naruto might be shown on one of the UK satellite cartoon channels..... (we can still only dream of an Anime channel).
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2006-05-30, 09:08 | Link #10 |
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People tend to rely more on fansubs because despite being free, almost all of the time these are made with quality. It is because fansubbing is volunteer work to help propagate the anime community, and often times, volunteer work is much more passionate and colorful and helpful than paid, dreary, boring work.
You have to take into perspective the hearts of the fansubbers. They can be among the only ones who produce quality work, really, because they don't plan on lessening the quality because 'the DVD's cheap' or any other monetary excuses.
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2006-05-30, 21:01 | Link #13 | |
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I see two problems 1. Maybe the sales are bad because, you know, they are bad and the fans know about this even before watching the fansubs? When did bad series ever have good sales record? 2. So basically, the companies view us as "consumers" with unlimited amount of money. We are supposed to buy everything DVDs that are out, and hope that some of them are good. You know, some of us will not buy anime DVDs if a large portion of the lottery-draw-style DVD purchases are bad... And yet they try to force us down our throat knowing they are bad.... Where is the morality....
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2006-05-30, 21:24 | Link #14 |
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Some Groups have translation notes, which clears up the meaning behind some cultural based dialog.
Translations will always be up to the ones opinion, of course some decisions are better than others. Btw Last time I checked... Did DVD's have good quality Karaoke? In terms of flashyness. (Though I've been spoiled with them, its still something to mention.) If someone likes the series they'll buy the DVD's to support/Have a hard copy which has better quality than the TV rips. Maybe Companies wont license any more crappy shows if we dont buy them? It should work that way.
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2006-05-30, 23:05 | Link #16 |
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So basically, there is still no scientific statictics or concrete evidence between the relationship of sales of dvd and popularity of fansub?
It seem that everyone has their opinions only based on just what variety of companies say, which is not exactly accuarte in reflecting the truth, I think. Companies would say things to raise their sales, regardless of the truth behind. Even if it is true, it might be partially true.
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2006-05-30, 23:06 | Link #17 | |
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Actually I like some fansubs better than their DVD counterparts a lot more. Mainly because some fansubs are really well done. I also enjoy the cultural bits and information things fansubs often have. So while a lot of fansubs are done to about the same quality as a DVD (I rarely see ones that are less), many go above the DVD's subbing. As for whether they hinder or boost sales. My friends and I all watch fansubs first, and buy the ones we like (we think as fans we should support those companies) and dont buy the ones we dislike. So I guess it could do both. |
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2006-05-31, 00:24 | Link #19 |
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Wasn't there a research, well not a research but studies that say companies are more likely to choose more popular series of anime just because of its popularity on the net?
I hear that fansubs are like the test stages/beta for animes for the widespread uses after it's shown in Japan?? ^_^
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2006-05-31, 00:38 | Link #20 | |
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