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Transgender Bathroom Access Rights
Important: First off this purposely is for specifically this issue for news & discussion and maybe for some people to learn something, not for transgender issues as a whole, so if you wish to discuss something else, I'll ask you take it to a different thread, or make a new one to talk about the subject.
And I'll remind everyone to remain respectful & civil even with different opinions, thank you. If you find yourself unfamiliar with the terms, I'd suggest this link for a bit of understanding on trans & gender identity related terms. First off the USA's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) recently published a set of "best practices" for the matter. OSHA Publishes Guide to Restroom Access for Transgender Workers Quote:
Even Japan recently has been making some moves on the issue: LGBT Students In Japan: Education Ministry Asks Schools To Let Transgender Children Use Preferred Bathrooms Quote:
Data shows from the article below that their claims are fearmonger and trying to make people panic based off personal bias and nothing more rather than looking at the truth of the subject and failing to understanding denying people rights puts them in danger. 15 Experts Debunk Right-Wing Transgender Bathroom Myth Quote:
LGBT Coalition Launched to Fight Anti-Trans Ballot Initiative Quote:
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2015-06-25, 12:58 | Link #2 |
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Two bathrooms. One "male", one "female". Have a private stall (or multiple private stalls) within each bathroom, if at all possible. These stalls are for toilet use or shower use (where applicable). These stalls can be locked from the inside, and are separate from the sink/hand-wash section.
Everybody is free to use whichever bathroom is in accordance with her or his gender identity. This freedom is to be respected by all bathroom users. This is probably the best overall approach here, I think.
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2015-07-06, 03:52 | Link #3 |
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In case anyone missed, John Oliver on Last Week Tonight did great piece on transgender issues last week, and addressed point of this thread heavily from 9:20 onwards, but if you're generally unfamiliar with transgender or the issues around or interested to learn, then rest is plenty worth watching.
After watching that you might be thinking "Well I still don't know anyone who's transgender, so I am not sure I really care" like many people whom haven't know well...
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You know, even after having seen John's piece for this when it came out... I am still shocked by that one law in Arizona that was fining people all that money + jail time for the wrong bathroom. Absolutely ridiculous.
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2015-07-06, 20:47 | Link #6 |
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They're a great solution as long as they aren't too isolated (ie cases where school forces the child to go to nurse's office bathroom) or if they exist at all, since it's at least in my experience they tend to be a bit uncommon right now.
And when LGBT group I was a part of at Uni tried to get more added to the campus it was a frustrating struggle to get the administrators to even consider it, and even after numerous talks with us it only resulted in a few more for the most major of buildings on the campus, and generally ignored anything minor. Otherwise I have no complaints about them more of them would certainly make it easier from transgender person(s).
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2015-07-31, 21:49 | Link #8 |
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I don't see how its a problem. It's not like anyone goes to bathrooms to 'perve' or whatever. There are stalls in male and female bathrooms. Hell I've used female bathrooms in a pinch if I couldn't find a male one (or just misread the sign completely >.>). Even in male bathrooms that use those wall.. things.. you can't see anything unless you stand right next to someone and lean over for a look (of course Man Code Bathroom Regulations 10-2-E, denotes one empty space between each user). All stall bathrooms shouldn't even be an issue imo. It seems like its insecure people just being insecure. Well here is something that might break their little minds, gay people using the same bathrooms - the horror.
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2015-08-06, 03:02 | Link #9 |
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I think if you have a y chromosome you should just go to the men's restroom. If you don't then go to the woman's. Only exception should be if you do the whole bruce jenner shebang and you can visually pass as the opposite gender. I doubt anyone would go through crazy lengths like that to creep.
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1. Why in the world would chromosomes matter more than what the law says someones' gender is? The law generally allows someone's gender markers to be changed legally with approval from a medical professional as proof they've taken steps to change their gender medically. 2. Frankly chromosomes are only relevant if you're in an intimate relationship with the other person, or you're a medical professional and thus need to know for health reasons, and to anyone else chromosomes are irrelevant and personal information that you have no right to, so demanding it is a bit absurd. 3. Chromosomes aren't as black & white as people commonly think there are a lot of people born as Intersex & with Chromosomes disorders that cause this rule to bend & break because there are hundreds of exceptions that would need to be made for such as XY gonadal Females for example. 4. Chromosomes testing isn't exactly done commonly on most people because it tends to be expensive & time consuming and generally waste of both resources for something as trivia as judging if someone is using the "right" the bathroom; who would you make pay for it for "proof", the tax payers? Quote:
And I mean should we start kicking out masculine women like butch lesbians from the women's bathroom and overly feminine males from the men's bathroom then since they don't fit the "norms" to you?
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2015-08-30, 12:19 | Link #11 |
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I don't care which bathrooms people use as long as they don't try to grope me or something.
Gym changing rooms on that other hand, far more interesting debate. I would imagine the ladies would be pretty weirded out by someone with a dick changing in there. That would be pretty entertaining in my opinion, most people don't share that enthusiasm though. |
2015-08-30, 12:26 | Link #12 |
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1) Don't stare at other people's junk in the locker room
2) Anything "different" would weird people out. Got a unique tattoo? Skin blemish? Scar? You're going to weird people out that are looking (see statement #1 for how to fix this). |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us...-bathroom.html
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2015-09-02, 00:51 | Link #14 |
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It's not even funny how nobody seems to care about the feelings of transgender people...what are they supposed to do when they're not okay with using the other bathroom? Are they not children too, isn't it stressful for them? Apparently, people don't seem to care that much :S
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And "gender-neutral" tends to be single use bathrooms for anyone generally speaking. Quote:
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In these modern times, in these recent years, it has taken some time but finally people are becoming more accepting and tolerant of gay and bi people. Now there is lots of ground to cover; more progress to be made for trans individuals, but at least people are starting the path towards progress for trans individuals in these recent years, as well.
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2015-09-02, 12:43 | Link #17 |
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It's still going to get a lot of time and there will always be people too narrow-minded to accept them (as is the case with race, religion and sex), but I have faith that, in the years to follow, the transgender community will at least reclaim their human rights in our society. In case you haven't watched kids react to Caitlyn Jenner, notice how the teens themselves may be confused about the issue, but not actually offended, so you can be certain that whatever discrimination transgender people have to face in school stems from the students' parents.
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2015-09-03, 16:47 | Link #18 |
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It's a hard issue. Because the gender based bathrooms weren't set up based on what gender somebody is inside, but solely based on physical reality. Even their design is based around if people using them can piss while standing. If we stop considering that then there's no reason for any gender-segregated bathrooms, which would probably be for the best. Altough americans sadly seem to react with pure terror to any nudity, which likely escalates the problem way beyond what it's should be.
I wonder...does the pre-op trans people have problem with actually using the bathroom designated for gender they don't feel being a part off...or is the issue centered around the fact that it's a sign of how some parts of society view and discriminate them? Because if it's the later then unisex bathrooms would fix it. If the former then it won't be fixed. |
2015-09-03, 17:21 | Link #19 |
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I think it'd be okay to cater to trans people a bit on this issue. Recognition by authorities would at least somewhat increase recognition by their peers, which is their main issue. And this is a class of people who can still have a lot of bones thrown to them before being privileged.
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Also, while not easy, women CAN use urinals. |
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