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View Poll Results: GATE - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 2 | 11.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 5 | 27.78% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 9 | 50.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 5.56% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 5.56% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-03-13, 04:22 | Link #61 | |||
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Indeed, I'd flip that around. Killing Zorzal would be for entirely personal reasons. You don't wage war on a single person. Destroying the Empire... is still revenge. But it's revenge with scope beyond what was done to her. Quote:
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2. You vastly overestimate the precision of modern weapons (whether 1970s modern or 2010s modern) if you think they can wage war in earnest and not kill any civilian. |
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2016-03-13, 04:59 | Link #62 | |
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As soon as Zorzal realizes that the JSDF is going to try to avoid civilian casualties, he'll start filling his barracks and military formations with them, and force the JSDF to fight up close and personal. Their weaponry will still give them some advantages, but with a lot of civilians in the crossfire, it may limit the JSDF enough for the Empire's numerical advantage to tip the scales. Zorzal won't have thought it out to that degree, of course, but even he should be able to tell that the JSDF isn't attacking where civilians are.
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2016-03-13, 05:04 | Link #63 | ||
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This is war, in war civilian casualties are normal thing since many weapons that we have have area-of-effect damage. Besides, why would JSDF be bothering wit hthem? Any modern military knows that in combat engagements civilian casualties are high possibility, they just try their best to minimize that. Quote:
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2016-03-13, 05:19 | Link #64 |
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I'm going to give an example to try to make sense of this. Say, for example, that China goes to Tibet and creates mass death and destruction. Now, does this give a Tibetan leader the right to plot and destroy China and all its citizens as just punishment? China has been willing to kill its own citizens in the recent past (Tieman Square). Does that justify if a Tibetan destroys it in return, while causing mass death to civilians intentionally? It's the same situation with the empire.
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2016-03-13, 05:22 | Link #65 |
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What really amaze me is that every episodes the forum members will post up many different justification & analysis, why this and why not like that. I mean how do you even know what the people many centuries ago even thinking? Our "logic" won't work at those time. In the end we just imagine, assume and presume.
Are you just saying the above stuff based on reading a few newspaper and books? website readings with minimum facts and proofs? or your information, thoughts and justices are always right and everyone is wrong? Do you have the education/studies of political science, international relations, ealier centuries psychology/ideology and military defence? Even if you are the masters of these also can't fully justify. GATE Jietai maybe very similiar to what early centuries to modern in our real world, in the end this is still a story made by the author with his knowledge/research and his own justice. Come on and lets get back to normal anime forum conversation shall we. Something like poor Pina and next epsiodes the paratroopers are going to be cool. Of course we are free to say anything and ask why this and why that, but don't turn it into a real argument.
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2016-03-13, 07:11 | Link #67 | ||||
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Besides, the JSDF doesn't need to kill the enemy soldiers. If they retreat to their barracks they can just lay siege to them. Quote:
My point is that, considering what's been done to her and her people, and who did it, it's understandable that her anger encompasses more than just Zorzal. And that the bulk of the blame remains with the decision makers. She may have advised and run errands, but it's Zorzal and his followers who ordered the purges. And they did so with their eyes open, as were those of the senators and kings who for centuries built up the empire into what it is today, making a system that would allow for such abuses. That's also why I mentioned Noriko earlier as a separate case. The attempt on her life is on Tyulle in a way what happened to Pina or Sherry's family aren't. |
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2016-03-13, 07:57 | Link #68 |
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That was a close call for Lelei le Lelena. Had she not wore armor plate underneath her magician garb, Lelei would be a goner at the hands of Shandy!
Meanwhile, Zolzal treating Piña like a slave was so awful that it sickens me! I hope that guy would get his comeuppance soon! |
2016-03-13, 10:32 | Link #69 |
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Good thing shandy is kinda.... Dumb? i have no idea how she end up as soldier
Pina is the youngest and if they follow medieval thinking, that pretty much make her chance to get the throne is close to 0%, pina also a woman which mean (usually) end up become the wife of neighboor leader to "strenghten relationship", and pina doesnt like zorzal yet she still show some degree of respect to that idiot, that take a lot of patience and Wisdom (if i were zorzal brother i stab that idiot back out of rage). If zorzal could use his brain for a bit, treating her normally is probably the best course of action (until the shitstorm happen), zorzal pretty much "seal the deal" the moment he strip pina title and make her slave because appearantly that idiot forgot that his little sister has bff status with semi immortal war goddess, a dragon killer, 2 capable elf and han solo. Last edited by Yan3242; 2016-03-13 at 10:47. |
2016-03-13, 21:59 | Link #70 | |
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2016-03-13, 22:10 | Link #71 | |
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Royals are not chosen by the people, so they only get to keep their position through the power of the sword. So that is why it is generally also fair to remove a Royal through the power of the sword. This is what differentiates between a monarchy and other systems of government. Killing a ruler is part of the system, the equivalent of being voted out of office. England only set up the succession rules for their Monarchy because the constant civil wars were getting out of hand. Normally you get to have a crown on your head because you have the larger army, no other reason.
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2016-03-15, 16:21 | Link #72 |
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This show has paid homage to Apoclypse Now! with the helicopter assault on Italica and plated Ride of the Valkyries as they came in.
It would be awesome if the played the theme from Band of Brothers as the paratroopers descend on the Palace next episode!
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2016-03-15, 18:06 | Link #73 | |
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There's also the minor fact that the Japanese fought on the side that was against the characters in BoB. That would be like American soldiers riding into battle playing a song from some movie the Germans made about the bombers in the London Blitz. We're all allies now, but still...
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2016-03-15, 18:41 | Link #74 |
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Anyway, some great reference would be awesome to see again.
They can even go with the old paratrooper song and make it awesome. |
2016-03-16, 11:47 | Link #75 |
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I cant imagine how big their base right now, i remember in the early season 1 it look like a standard HQ size, then they have the civilian that run away from the dragon so they build houses beside their base... I take it their base is now a size of small (outskirt) city?
if you think all those locals that lived together with sdf, they must be getting used with the military routine and the 21st century stuff right now (loud noise like jet engine, gunshot, etc), those people might be better canditate to be sent to the other side of gate |
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2016-03-16, 20:55 | Link #78 |
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I hope next episode would be something worth to watch as Zorzal would face great despair
Luckily, his scheme isn't put on effect yet *the thing when they want to lie to villages around Arnus* I feel really bad for Pina... must be a great shock for her Her other brother has done something smart after all Pied Piper must be a very formidable enemy as his victim still could not realize that they are tricked until now.. it's funny when Pina's subordinate was easily blinded and only could see one way to do thing rather than realizing that they have "Dragon Killer" team in her side that could easily save Pina from Zorzal |
2016-03-17, 19:04 | Link #79 | |
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