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2017-01-18, 06:33 | Link #121 |
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They have no relation with Nobliss though. And to effectively "rule" Mars they will need connections. Actually it would be better if Tekkadan is not completely dependent on Gjalahorn good will and second backer should give them more freedom than they would have if they were affiliated with either one.
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2017-01-18, 10:09 | Link #122 |
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Perhaps its time to change the relationship rather than get rid of it. Considering how McGillis' deal gives them total control over Mars Gjallarhorn branch to do with what they will, I'm guessing they will basically have autonomy there but still maintain an alliance with Inner sphere Gjallarhorn that's under McGillis.
They could do the same with Teiwaz. Change from being a subsidiary under McMurdo, and instead partner with him as an equal? It would be hard, but it is doable.
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2017-01-18, 10:18 | Link #123 |
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We really shouldn't forget scale of Teiwaz. Naze has huge transport network with 50 000 of employees and he is "just" (if one of biggest) subsidiaries. It think even with whole Mars under Tekkadan it wouldn't be enough for equality. Orga replacing Jasley as McMurdo's right hand and becoming effectively second in command sound quite plasauble though.
Well that assume Naze dies. If he somehow survived, he would be one rise to n.2 instead which might be even better for Tekkies in some aspects. Eitherway if things on Mars go well, McMurdo will want keep good relationship with them. He is definitely boss who knows when offer carrot rather than stick.
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2017-01-18, 10:25 | Link #124 |
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Jasley's dead. No character like him gets away from karma for long in a Gundam series. It's a matter of when rather than if.
Orga being number 2? Perhaps, it really depends on where they want to go from here and how independent they want to make Tekkadan. Is it feasible for them to be on their own now? I think so. I think Naze could have been too if he really wanted to, but he's too laid back for that. That IS one think that Orga does better than Naze, and that's have a drive as well as ambition. Naze is more of a "que sera sera" guy.
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2017-01-18, 10:36 | Link #125 | |||
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And a guy that tried to kill you for profit and will try to again at the drop of a hat if he doesn't like you trying to bring peace and end conflicts which he profits from is probably more dangerous as a so called backer than an openly hostile enemy. Quote:
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2017-01-18, 10:39 | Link #126 |
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Nah, being under Teiwaz is far more effective protection against pirates rides than any amount of MSs (which are provided be Teiwaz as well). He definitely could handle go private, but even if he he managed part his way with Teiwaz in peace he would still receive serious backslash .
Tekkadan is in better position, but Considering Teiwaz has greater presence in outer sphere, Tekkies get lot of benefits from being under them At least I doubt Gjalahorn has any facility capable accommodating Gundams so close. While Teiwaz send them newest piece of weaponry right after it left their factories. Not to mention Gjalahorn might not be enthusiastic about installing AV into their grazes... EDIT:@/Tdx>> what are you even talking about?McMurdo has no problem with peace and never tried kill anyone from Tekkadan, do you maybe mean Nobliss with who Tekkadan has no ties whatsoever? Oh and don't forget any prosperity of Mars is tied to It's half metals and thus to Teiwaz as well.
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2017-01-18, 11:15 | Link #127 | |
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I do think the death of Naze will change Orga like no other event has. (Hopefully Mika doesn't have to crawl and knock some sense into him again. ) We'll have to see if he will come out of this fire burnt or stronger.
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2017-01-18, 11:58 | Link #129 |
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Of course I mean Nobliss. Half-metal is deregulated only on the Arbrau colony territory (probably ~1/4 of the total martian territory), that is, only in Chryse, not on the entire Mars. Teiwaz is not the only halfmetal right holder in Chryse, the halfmetal rights for Chryse mines are shared between Teiwaz, Nobliss, McGillis' Montag company and Kudelia herself. If the other economic blocs (~3/4 of the martian territory) deregulate halfmetal, unless Tekkadan is still under Teiwaz by the time they rule Mars and has to pay that ridiculous kickback from every deal on Mars, Teiwaz will have no share in that, so no, prosperity of Mars isn't tied to Teiwaz. Plus, as I said, a lot depends on what is going to happen with Barriston and Teiwaz from now on, whether they, both the man and the conglomerate, even survive the upcoming upheaval. |
2017-01-18, 12:06 | Link #130 |
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That sounds around right. Anyway noone thinks Tekkadan should get Nobliss as their backer. If they ever need him they can use Kudelia who already has ties with him anyway.
But I think you are making mistake here. Teiwaz gets cuts from Tekkadan's share. As far as either of them doesn't get too greedy for they own good it should be pretty standard tarrif which is way export work everywhere anyway.
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2017-01-18, 12:25 | Link #131 | |
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Jasley on the other hand, would be that pompous bad guy who gets a very visual, explosive, usually satisfying death completely on screen that's usually around the climax. It's just a matter of two different kind of villains get two different types of resolutions based on actions and character type and story.
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2017-01-19, 01:03 | Link #132 |
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Tekkadan isn't directly connected to Nobliss. But they are basically married to Kudelia and Nobliss has been bankrolling Kudelia her entire career. Right now Nobliss is simply fine with Kudelia causing trouble because instability is good for business. But eventually Kudelia is going to have to pay him back.
The reason Nobliss isn't in danger is because he hasn't killed anyone Tekkadan cared about (yeah Fumitan but she doesn't really count) and has been far more help then hindrance. Its similar to McGillis getting a free pass for killing Aston. |
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With his ambition now soaring as high as ruling a whole planet, I wonder if Orga can even play second fiddle to anyone anymore. If we look at the early days, it's apparent that he was never any good at taking orders (which pretty much saved the whole cast at the beginning, ironically), always preferring to think and decide for himself. That tendency of his didn't change any in S2, as evidenced by his striking the deal with McGillis without so much as asking his formal boss, Barriston. To make it worse, his need to be in control seems to have grown quite a bit since the early days, so I can't help doubting he'd be satisfied with anything other than the supreme leadership position anymore. p.s. I agree that Jasley is done for, he just doesn't know it yet Quote:
Just imagine: the bakery store lady owner that took in Atra buys corn in bulk from Sakura's farm to bake her corn bread out of it. Teiwaz had no hand whatsoever in painstakingly growing and harvesting that corn, nor will Teiwaz help the bakery lady bake her bread out of it, so why should they be getting anything from the deal between Sakura-chan and the bakery lady? Why should the bakery lady pay more and Sakura-chan get less for her corn to cover their share? It's far from fair, to put it mildly. Moreover, unlike taxes that at least can be regarded as relocation of money within the same economy, the Teiwaz deal means withdrawing money from the already barely breathing economy to line pockets of some filthy rich fat cats half across the solar system. It just can't be right or beneficial to the people of Mars. That's why I would rather see Tekkadan separate themselves from Teiwaz if it means avoiding it... Quote:
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2017-01-19, 05:36 | Link #134 |
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And now imagine this: Bakery store lady pay taxes... and that's it. Tekkadan are contracted collectors and part of Teiwaz conglomerate. There is no reason for Teiwaz who stand above Tekkies not get money out of their profit.
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2017-01-19, 06:26 | Link #135 |
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The main purpose of tax collection is to strengthen an economy by rerouting money within it to where it's needed and to fulfill social responsibilities before the people who pay those taxes - not take money out of the economy, weakening it further. I stand by my point: Teiwaz has no business getting a cut in all the deals on the martian territory, it won't help Mars fight its encompassing poverty any, thus should be avoided.
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2017-01-20, 00:40 | Link #138 |
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Why should Tekkadan's money help any economy? They receive percentage of trading deals and provide service they are contracted to and both sides are happy.
As I said Doesn't matter if money goes to Tekkadan itself or is split between them and Teiwaz. It's still same amount and as long as all obligation are fulfilled inner management of aforementioned conglomerate is No-one's business. But yeah I am sure there is no force in universe that could stop Tekkies from reinvesting their money where it count most... their self.
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