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2017-05-14, 18:04 | Link #943 | |
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It could be that he feels guilty for what happened to Setsuna. The shame of perhaps having contributed to her suicide would understandably make him fear that conversation. |
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2017-05-14, 18:16 | Link #944 |
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I find it hard to imagine that Souta forgot creating a character design, if that's what he did. Shouldn't he have had some character design notes/files instead of having to search? Or was Setsuna's death so traumatic for him that he deleted everything and blanked out some memories?
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2017-05-14, 18:27 | Link #945 |
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Himegimi is probably mostly Setsuna's creation. Perhaps he doesn't remember because he had no investment in her creation other than making a sketch on request. I think Souta's connection to Himegimi is through his relationship with Setsuna more so than being her creator.
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2017-05-14, 18:53 | Link #947 |
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Although I understand many of the complaints about this episode, Souta not immediately explaining what he figured out about the MUP was hard for me to accept especially considering how the stakes have been laid so far. I can't imagine how the writers will work around a single person choosing the sacrifice all of existence instead of informing his colleagues what he knows. Right now, his choice seems more like a writer's contrivance.
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2017-05-14, 19:26 | Link #948 |
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How do you know that ? Is it in an official source somewhere ? If that is the case, I wonder why they would give away that much information this early. And no, I don't think I will try to confirm/disconfirm it. It seem to be too spoilific to my taste. I hope I was wrong. If it is, that would be quite disappointing.
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2017-05-14, 20:19 | Link #949 |
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The Mamika and Alice dynamic is great because it cannot possibly work. At least not the way they are right now. Think of it this way. Altair wants them to cause mayhem. Now both are characters that are well equipped to do just that, outside of Gigas Machina perhaps more so than any other creations.
The first key diverging point is how they reacted or didn't to using their powers in this world. When Mamika used her magic to attack Celestia, she was so visibly shaken by the destruction and pain she had caused it pushed her into doing what she does in episode 6. Alice on the other hand has no negative reaction at all to the damage and pain she causes. To her the means justify the potential ends whereas for Mamika they do not. Going back to the cause mayhem goal. Alice could easily fly around on her horse stabbing people and causing untold death and destruction with her gauntlet. Mamika could do much the same. Fly around and slaughter scores of people and lay waste to the city with magical splash flare. Both are capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people with trillions of yen in damage in mere minutes. Then again perhaps cause mayhem can be done in a nice non violent manner where no one gets hurt or dies and nothing is destroyed or broken. As if. Both characters have done terrible things in our world, but only one of them seems to actually give a shit about it and realize gee destroying shit, kidnapping people, and being an all around criminal scum isn't a good thing/something to be proud of. It's especially interesting considering both are supposed to be good people in their stories. What a difference a change of scenery … I mean world makes.
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That being said, if she simply had to cause enough mayhem, and that the stability of reality would fail if too many people figured out the existence of the creations, than perhaps Alice might be able to succeed even if she eventually was killed- not to mention the fact that calling down something like an artillery or air strike in the middle of Tokyo would only cause further casualties. It would be pretty hard to cover up a magical knight going on a rampage, only to end with either a magical duel or her being Macross Missile Massacred or More Dakka!!!-ed out of existence by the JSDF, especially considering someone would recognize her. Quote:
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2017-05-15, 00:44 | Link #952 |
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I feel that there is a certain level of meta irony here.
Souta choosing to not telling the others about Altair is a rather fitting writing decision because that's the way a real person would do. Wait before doing something. Imagine suddenly finding out that you may have some sort of relations to a terrorist, even if you are innocent, you would still think twice before decide to alert the authority. Combining that with the Asian mentality of not wanting to stand out and you can see why Souta didn't just tell Selestia right away. Honestly, it's the same with people screaming for more action several episodes before as two characters already expressed their distaste for having to fight just for the entertainment of others. |
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2017-05-15, 02:01 | Link #956 |
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Just thought of something. The most powerful member of both sides are a pain in the ass for their respective side.
Hime's most powerful member is Mamika. She doesn't want to fight for you. Souta's most powerful member is Yuya. He doesn't care to fight for you. |
2017-05-15, 03:51 | Link #957 |
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I'd say it's questionable if those two are the most powerful characters of their respective, but I really, really don't want to start a power measuring contest. Let's just say that everyone of them have situations where their powers are clearly more powerful than the others. Except Selesia, it seems, because she lost her mech.
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2017-05-15, 06:14 | Link #958 | |
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Rui just needs a good reason to get involved. Like say woo and protect a pretty pink haired magical girl younger than him. |
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2017-05-15, 06:49 | Link #959 |
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You know how in episode 5, the government went after the good guys and being “good” they went along more or less quietly? Do yo think the “bad guys” in the same situation would have just given up too? Oh no. They would fight back and cause untold death and destruction. If the Altair team started trying to cause mayhem as planned, sooner or later they'd attract the attention of the police/special force/military what have you. You think Alice is going to just give up and do whatever they want and not fight back? Of course not. Do you think Mamika is going to start willingly blasting innocent people simply because they're trying to stop her and her buddies from well doing a lot of very bad no good immoral things? Even she would realize they're the bad guys in that scenario.
Here's the real crux of the issue. The good guys as far as those on team government are laughably outmatched. They lack the ability to actually stop them. Those that might actually be able to, specifically Rui with his Gigas Machina, would then be playing right into Altair's goal of widespread mayhem and chaos. Hell had it not been for Mamika's face turn, Meteora would be dead and Blitz would certainly have turned his attention to Celestia who was already struggling against Alice. The two of them together would have easily killed her too. Alice would then have gone back to her initial goal of killing Makagmi if she hadn't left by this point. I'm sure you've noticed how not once during any of the fights Celestia has been in was she ever actually winning. Altair? Couldn't do a thing to her. Mamika? Blasted out of the sky and would have died had it not be for Yuuya. Alice? Currently getting her ass kicked without dealing a single damaging blow. At best she's ineffectual and at worst she jobs. Never once has she actually won a fight. With Meteora being as offensively worthless as she is, they did a great job of setting up for future revisions. So we pretty much already knew full well when they agreed to help the government out, just how useless most of them would be at actually preventing attempted mayhem. As for human weapons working on these creations. Altair is a perfect example. Go back and watch the missile scene in episode one. Notice how they did absolutely nothing? Not so much as a single scratch. She no sold Red's mecha like it was nothing. Remember that these super human creations with super powers and abilities are currently struggling to handle others capable of similar things. What makes you think regular people have any chance? As you pointed out, stopping creations from causing mayhem simply results in mayhem anyway possibly more than what they could have accomplished on their own.
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