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Old 2018-06-14, 14:24   Link #3721
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I have Doylist reasons why all death flags on Zero Two are false.

You aren't going to kill the franchise cash cow. Zero Two is the face of the franchise, she's not going to die.
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Old 2018-06-14, 14:37   Link #3722
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Besides, its not like the Klaxosaurs have the high-ground here. If they devolved to the point that they couldn't be reasoned with and the Queen didn't say anything, as far as I'm concerned she just wanted to kill people.
Why wouldn't you want to kill the people who are slathering your kind? Let's not forget VIRMs and humans attacked first. It doesn't matter if humanity was being deceived. They were taking part in genocide all the same. It's to be expected there was gonna be a price to pay at some point. They only have themselves to blame for letting themselves be used by the crazy alien invaders.

No one is totally blameless but the Klaxosaurs definitely have the high-ground. They were peaceful until being attacked. That's all you need to know.
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Old 2018-06-14, 16:16   Link #3723
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I have Doylist reasons why all death flags on Zero Two are false.

You aren't going to kill the franchise cash cow. Zero Two is the face of the franchise, she's not going to die.
Basically this. Zero-Two won't die, but she will be forced back into her klaxosaur form by the fighting (and the fact that she's piloting a klaxosaur herself).

We know that, eventually, we must come to the scene in episode 1 where she's at the garden surrounded by klaxosaurs. Though the context of that scene has changed; she's among allies now.

Honestly, I think it's Hiro who's going to bite the dust...
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Old 2018-06-14, 17:42   Link #3724
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Immortality? Which is sorta the opposite of extinction. They certainly didn't know the hidden clause about giant monsters coming after them. And even if some people died because of accidents and stuff, they obviously have vat cloning and artificial uterus technology, so it's not like they would stop reproducing. Just stop reproducing naturally.
not just "reproduction" they also become "lethargic", because they "loose any purpose which being "mortal give to them", without the reproductive instinct and "immortality" it lead them to become "almost undead or souless peoples without any purpose.
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Old 2018-06-14, 17:57   Link #3725
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not just "reproduction" they also become "lethargic", because they "loose any purpose which being "mortal give to them", without the reproductive instinct and "immortality" it lead them to become "almost undead or souless peoples wuthout any purpose.
Yeah but even if that's the case (which is unclear why it should be) they didn't know that beforehand either. My point was that they were tricked by VIRM on most stuff.
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Old 2018-06-14, 18:22   Link #3726
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Yeah but even if that's the case (which is unclear why it should be) they didn't know that beforehand either. My point was that they were tricked by VIRM on most stuff.
while i do agree with you about them being "tricked" I think which the problem was a "chain of reactions", a combination of "physiological + psychological, without the "rerpoduction" it reduce the production of some hormones and others things them also the mind because again being immortal reduce some of natural desires or make things goes "more slow" like others animals with long life span, the more they life the less they start to care and worry, at last is that what i think.

You took away some of the aspects which "rules" us as human, them while we can get some benefits we also get some bad side effects too.
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Old 2018-06-14, 18:42   Link #3727
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I wouldn't say that. I also wouldn't say they have the high ground. Nobody does. All living things do what they need to survive. There's nothing unusual in one species taking resources (even lives) from another.
Mmm... Fair point.
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Old 2018-06-14, 21:58   Link #3728
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I have Doylist reasons why all death flags on Zero Two are false.

You aren't going to kill the franchise cash cow. Zero Two is the face of the franchise, she's not going to die.
They could leave it as ambiguous as that fairy tale ending. 02 disappears (got her wish to fly, became Icarus and died in the sky protecting the humans and Klax). Hiro goes searching for her and eventually gives up/marries 001 and fathers a new Klax generation. (Someone has to reign in Klax Hime so she doesn't decide to destroy the rest of the humans. A Klax husband who is a human sympathizer might be the ticket.)

Mitsuru and Kokoro start the new human generation. Dr. Franxx is there to observe it all.

There are anime/visual novel franchises that kill the face of the franchise. My avatar is from one such franchise.
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Old 2018-06-15, 02:53   Link #3729
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So now we have like 3 confirmed OTP couples in this show, right ?

1. Hiro x Zero 2
2. Mitsuru x Kokoro ( Obviously they'll get their memories back, and Kokoro's already pregnant with Mitsuru's baby )
3. Zorome x Miku ( Don't expect them to flirt much as they're both Tsunderes and won't be honest with their feelings to each other unless if some life threatening situation occurs, and Zorome protects her and confesses how much he loves her in the entire universe )

So far, the only poor people without a romantic partner are Goro, Futoshi, Ichigo, and Ikuno
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Old 2018-06-15, 06:00   Link #3730
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I dont khow whether this subject has been brought up yet, but oh boy this show is a mess
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Old 2018-06-15, 06:02   Link #3731
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So far, the only poor people without a romantic partner are Goro, Futoshi, Ichigo, and Ikuno
What if Gobro x Ichigo become a thing ?
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Old 2018-06-15, 07:42   Link #3732
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I dont khow whether this subject has been brought up yet, but oh boy this show is a mess
It's 187 pages of people fighting over whether it is or it is not, basically.

At this point I'm solidly in the "yes, it's a mess" camp . Didn't get to see such a glorious trainwreck unfold live before my eyes since Aldnoah Zero (in fact, this might be worse).
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Old 2018-06-15, 08:50   Link #3733
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What if Gobro x Ichigo become a thing ?
if their is a season two, it might be possible.
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Old 2018-06-15, 11:01   Link #3734
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It's 187 pages of people fighting over whether it is or it is not, basically.

At this point I'm solidly in the "yes, it's a mess" camp . Didn't get to see such a glorious trainwreck unfold live before my eyes since Aldnoah Zero (in fact, this might be worse).
Funny you should mention Aldnoah Zero with Klax Hime and Hiro being both blue.
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Old 2018-06-15, 11:04   Link #3735
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Funny you should mention Aldnoah Zero with Klax Hime and Hiro being both blue.
But are they heavenly blue?
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Old 2018-06-15, 14:21   Link #3736
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Mind if I ask a question?

I understand that Trigger is a production company and some of their series have surprise reveals but what do you mean when you say a anime series has been "Triggered"? Sorry that just went past me.
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Old 2018-06-15, 14:31   Link #3737
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Mind if I ask a question?

I understand that Trigger is a production company and some of their series have surprise reveals but what do you mean when you say a anime series has been "Triggered"? Sorry that just went past me.
IIRC most of it refers to the "suddenly aliens"-reveal in the second half of the show like previously happened in...
Spoiler for other anime titles made by Trigger's crew:
Both cases work for both shows because they are downright silly shows (even with deaths in them) so adding one more facepalm-reveal is like an icing on the endearingly-silly cake. But aside from the sexual innuendos, Franxx has become so serious as of late to the point where the "suddenly aliens"-reveal actually hurts the story more than help (at least for me and thousands of other people who Liked some YT videos that criticizes this turn of events).
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Old 2018-06-15, 14:59   Link #3738
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Yeah. I mean, the most arguments we had before the aliens reveal was the matter of Ichigo and Zero Two after the whole strangling thing. We were expecting a revolution, not aliens.
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Old 2018-06-15, 15:56   Link #3739
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I think to be more accurate, the purpose of a dystopian setting is to teach us what could happen further down the line if we're not careful and the best ones are those that explain how they were led to that point in a very convincing manner.

The problem is here is that it's not convincing at all. It's just aliens vs dinosaurs. Unless this is meant to be a message against fracking and oil drilling in which case there may be an environmentalist message in all this nonsense.
I think people are making an assumtion that since the story is in a dystopian setting, the story will follow the typical format of a dystopia and have some warnings about society. That doesn't seem the case with this show. Its almost entirely focused on the characters.

Edit: I was going to write more but then I found a video that explained my thinking better than I could express it.

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Old 2018-06-15, 16:17   Link #3740
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I think people are making an assumtion that since the story is in a dystopian setting, the story will follow the typical format of a dystopia and have some warnings about society. That doesn't seem the case with this show. Its almost entirely focused on the characters.
That's not mutually exclusive. Evangelion was also heavily character based but still made points about society in its setting. Also these last few episodes have been more about the plot than the characters. The last episode in particular was mostly plot driven.

Also this isn't an assumption: Episodes like 10 and 19 were trying to make points. The fact that they had virtually no impact on anyone is another thing.
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