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"Be willing to rebel against authority. You never know if your leaders are alien invaders in disguise fighting the ancient dino people hidden on the planet! YOU NEVER KNOW!" Quote:
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2018-06-15, 16:55 | Link #3742 | |
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Unsurprisingly, a two hour video. He did not like the episode. A lot rides on these last four episodes.
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2018-06-15, 18:21 | Link #3743 | |
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Also his "No Surprise Aliens" policy is a good one |
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2018-06-15, 18:43 | Link #3744 |
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More specifically, he points out that either the Klaosaurs or humans being revealed to be aliens would have been fine. Thats more what I was expecting. The "no surprise aliens" rule is more a no surprise faction at the end of a story. Such a twist lends too heavily in the direction of Deus Ex Machina. Except your replacing gods with aliens. Of course, as Nearly on Red points out, there are famous exceptions to the rule such as War of the Worlds but those are exceptions because the story had a specific purpose that required such a jarring twist.
To bring it all together, for this Virm twist to work it has to lead into how Hiro x ZeroTwo's story will be resolved. If it doesn't then yes, it was a flaw ending and a poor execution of such a twist.
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2018-06-15, 18:46 | Link #3745 | |
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2018-06-15, 18:55 | Link #3746 | |
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2018-06-15, 18:55 | Link #3747 |
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If there was one problem with the theory that some of the APE council members were "male klaxosaurs" (a theory I liked) is that they seemed rather dismissive of klaxosaurs in general - it felt more like the attitude of a third party.
But anyway... yeah, there's a lot of things the writing should have done... and should have not done. |
2018-06-15, 19:12 | Link #3749 | |
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2018-06-15, 20:08 | Link #3750 |
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We were arranging for a revolution. The story was already racing down a highway to that and then it abruptly swerved off the road to aliens. There's the whining, you can't pull that out of nowhere at episode 20 in a 24-25 episode series. If they were going to do that, it should've been sooner. It'd be a miracle if it doesn't go off the cliff perched far ahead unless they swerve it back.
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2018-06-15, 20:23 | Link #3751 | |
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The hints where there, from early episodes, it not was "out of nowhere, that is my point.
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2018-06-15, 20:54 | Link #3752 | |
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Revealing that Papa was not just a jerk but the true enemy of humanity was about the only way to push the kids to rebel. The twist was necessary to push the plot towards the climax. And honestly, it wasn't even a twist. There was foreshadowing Papa wasn't human.
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2018-06-15, 21:08 | Link #3753 | |
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Hiro was very down to earth, he know the danger and how strong PAPA and humans where and how hard could be to him to "open rebel" against them, he instead of "heroic path" played the PAPA game to see if he can achieve what he wanted, ofcourse he as everyone was fooled by the alliens but he really not was that "kind of hero", some peoples even talked about the marriage being a "plan" of hiro to "test" papa and adults to see how much he can go if he wanted to something to himself, he used mitsuru and kokoro as "bait".
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2018-06-15, 21:15 | Link #3754 | |
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To be fair, the alien-reveal is not outside the realm of possibility in the first place, especially if you know Trigger's tendency in their sci-fi mecha shows. Heck, many people were already anticipating it, including me. Here's a piece of my post discussing the alien-nature of APE with Magewolf well before episode 20 happened:
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2018-06-15, 22:01 | Link #3755 |
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I think the problem is not just that they are aliens,something like that was pretty obviously coming. Though having them be more closely tied to the Klax would have worked better. But that the reveal came with a giant interstellar war and an all new alien race in episode 20 with only 4 episodes to tie everything together.
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2018-06-15, 23:21 | Link #3756 |
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I understand why that analysis and the overall criticism against the last 2-3 episodes is so hard.
If we look at how things happened in the series in an incredibly small period of time we can see that there is too much stuff that was pull out of nowhere and ended on ruining the expectations of the series in terms of development, by that I mean everything was absolutely predictable and the execution was poorly done. That said, the Alien thing was too much, the mystery and theories went down the toilet because of that and right now this is not anymore about Humans vs Klaxos and kids, this is "Aliens and spacebattles lmao" kind of bullshit. Is still entertaining but the quality of the series went down because of it. In my opinion, if they wanted to introduce all the alien thing they should've done it on more episodes, now the series is almost done and all what we have left is watching how someone dies, if the main heroine sacrifice herself or if there will be a happy ending. |
2018-06-16, 01:34 | Link #3757 |
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
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Caught up to the last week's ep
suddenly, aliens, lolwat. That was ....the most simplistic direction they could have went and they took it. There isn't even enough time left to build them up into more than just faceless random enemy number 153772677272....
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2018-06-16, 03:50 | Link #3758 |
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I'm pretty sure there's a conspiracy theorist out there who thinks this is very relevant and Trigger is in fact taking some serious shots at The Man. I mean, the whole "world leaders are secretly aliens" is an actual conspiracy theory that some people seriously believe already .
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