2018-10-05, 02:41 | Link #181 |
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All I can say is that Episode 12 changed everything, from rewriting the stage play story into something that'll satisfy us as the giraffe told us to do so. Man, Karen Aijou is one revolutionary girl who refused to die just because a tragic fate awaits her and Hikari Kagura!
With that said, I give props to Bushiroad and Kinema Citrus for creating Revue Starlight as it's one of the most interesting shows that I've watched. I never regret on picking that up! |
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Besides, if she really outshone Hikari, which I agree she did, then she became top star in Hikari's place. The fundamental problem of the system that there can only be one top star went unchallenged and the dream Hikari and Karen had of becoming top stars together went unfulfilled. Yet, the show brushes this off and tries to make it seem like it did happen and everything was resolved.
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It all works out at least for this batch of girls because in the end it's the Giraffe that's the all powerfull one. Put up a good enough performance for it, and he'll do whatever it takes to sponsor your next one. In this case they offered to show him a Starlight with more participants and a happy ending. Just like Karen showed him something new, but exciting for him.
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The most important thing is putting on a good show. You have to admit, Karen at then was the best showing of all the contestants, yes? Another matter, the Top Star battles were over. The "old" rules no longer applied to the Karen-Hikari match. Quote:
As for the system being the "fundamental problem" it is actually very easy to change, because it's all in the heads of the audience and the performers. The audience should stop ranking the performers. Meanwhile, performers should adopt Karen's attitude, which is to be reborn anew every time she gets on stage and shine again. No matter how much shine was used in the last performance. |
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And the paramount rule is: Put on a good performance! Quote:
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As to why could she change the rules? Easy. It lets the performers put on better shows. Which is the most important thing. Did she need to say she changed the rules? No. Rising again to Hikari's stage was sufficient demonstration that the rules had changed. |
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You know, it almost feel like this should have been a show about writers instead of actors. Honestly, as a story about actors, it's a pointless mess.
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So I guess that's why her pin reformed right away, eventhough it was destroyed only a few moments ago.
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How did Karen muscle in on the Revues? She jumped into Hikari and Junna's performance and beat Junna. If the rules were immutable and as you assumed them to be, Karen should never have been allowed to do that. Rather than landing on stage and reborn, she should have been booted back to her bed or something. What does that tell us? Either the rules allow for doing things differently or you can change the rules. There is nothing you can object to in ep12 that won't apply to ep1. Either Karen should never have been allowed in, or ep12 goes the way it does. Quote:
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If Hikari can say, "If I break your pin, leave and stop coming back." Then Karen can damn well say, "I'm coming back until I pull you out of here!" Quote:
But, like I showed, they've been trying to tell you since episode 1, the most important thing is putting on a good show. Everything else is how everyone involved has worked out to do so. If you can find a better way to do it, you can damn well do so. Edit: Took out a section, because I thought of something better for it. Quote:
No, changing the rules is Youtube and the other streaming platforms like it. Where the classical standards for success don't matter. Where you can be the main star, director, writer and producer of your own show. With ad revenue and crowdfunding initiatives, you can make a comfortable living as long as you can put on a good show. Where your success is not defined by whether you're better than the other performer or not. Yet, does the existence of streaming render the classical movie industry extinct? No, just like the movie industry didn't drive live theater into extinction either. It's still there, along with its cutthroat rankings, "rules", exploitation and abuses. For those who want to thrive in there, who are willing to put up with the pain of dealing with, they're welcomed to it. Yet, also, what are the "rules" that both streaming and classical entertainment platforms still have in common? 1. The goal, the most important thing, is to put on a good show. 2. Hard work is required for success, regardless of how you define it. Last edited by Jimmy C; 2018-10-08 at 00:41. |
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But that's not what happens. Instead Hikari is reduced to damsel in distress and ultimately loses to Karen. She wasn't a star, neither in the show nor in the Starlight story. The show tries to make us think they achieved their dream but it's not true. Only Karen became a star. Quote:
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If you must see it as Karen being the winner and Hikari the loser, then think of it as Hikari admitting defeat and putting all her shine into supporting Karen's performance as she should for losing. What do you demand? That Hikari be shown to obviously be lower than Karen? That she be grouchy over her loss? That Karen shouldn't be allowed to change anything, even after precisely winning the power to do so? Quote:
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Then who makes the rules? Because this was one revue nobody called for. Who gets to decide the rules for it? And who's going to make them stick?
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Additionally, what is the final part of any fight in the Revues? The winner claiming Position Zero. It's that more than anything else that pronounces who the "Top Star"/winner is.
Yet in this last "fight" does Karen even bother with it? No. Instead they are BOTH on it and BOTH claim the position zero. And then they go on to have their dream/promise fulfilled by staring on the stage together.
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You keep describing Hikari as the Damsel in Distress. But the Damsel has no initiative and must wait for the hero to rescue her. I reject that as a description of Hikari on her solo Stage. I reject that as a description of Hikari as she fought Karen. In those acts, she had the initiative and took action. Just because you disagreed with the action taken, doesn't make it any less of an action. That Hikari chose her fate and fought Karen to defend her convictions is the clearest proof that she was no mere DiD on her stage. Quote:
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Yet, when they actually do perform things differently, you declare they have failed because they didn't do the things to show they succeeded under the original system. That seems paradoxical to me. You want them to change, yet declare they have failed to change when they do things differently. Or was that you keep harping that they should change things and then complain when things actually changed? Quote:
But that doesn't mean it is the only way to succeed. Since we're talking about Revue Starlight, let's go with showbiz success as an example. This series sets a good example of the acting skills neccessary to be considered a good actor, yes? Then, you need people with directing skills and writing skills, yes? Get all three, you will have good show, that's considered a success in show biz, correct? So, can you become a star without acting skills? Can you put on a good show without directing and writing skills? Until 21st century, that was considered impossible. But the Internet meant anyone who could put themselves in front of a camera and put the video online can gain a following, worldwide too. You do not need what is traditionally considered acting skills to do this. Nor do you need directing or writing skills. Then comes Youtube and other streaming sites and make everything even easier by making it easier for your audience to find you. Now, without a single bit of traditional acting skill, you can become star. Without a writer or director, you can make a show. The old system to reach and define success in the show business do not apply in this world. So what was the old system anyway? A belief by everyone, the actors, the staff and the audience, that there was only one way to succeed in the show business. It was all in their heads. |
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