2016-11-08, 16:47 | Link #2681 | |
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I've called enough girls "Dude" before to not care a wit.
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Yeah, that's kinda what everybody does here, express their opinions. For me, Isamu was a gigantic dick who I wanted to punch in his smug face every second he was on screen. Quote:
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What I meant was her turnaround in suddenly making it all about Alto and forsaking her promise to sing for her home and friends, which led directly to the Vajra larva massacring thousands when she flipped her shit after seeing Sheryl and Alto embrace on that rooftop. Quote:
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Yes, SMS did not gain all the information they needed to know everything. Why would they have to? They came with important information to Frontier, Alto was there to fill in the rest, the story makes sense. You can argue that things were fitting together very quickly in these last minutes of the show, but, well, nothing came out of nowhere and we are still making a comparison to the quality between Frontier and Delta. How anyone can with a straight face make the argument that Frontier also was full of plot holes, I'll never understand. I won't try to say that they didn't rush it towards the end and that everything fit together perfectly, but in comparison to Delta, which is so full of plot holes, plot conveniences and abandoned plot elements that it resembles a swiss cheese with particularly many holes, yes, Frontier is much, much, much better.
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2016-11-08, 19:09 | Link #2684 | |
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2016-11-08, 19:53 | Link #2685 | |||||
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Gonna snip through a majority of this because your side doesn't justify plot convenience (i.e. something happens randomly, most times with absolute bullshit levels of luck, which pulls the plot along) over plot development (i.e. something which is foreshadowed or is relevant in the long run).
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That's kind of how Hayate goes, too. He begins off like a reckless idiot who believes he's "all that" until he is overpowered by Keith and witnesses Messar die. At which point, he gradually begins to accept how his role in Delta Squadron will play out and the price of failure. And, of course, adds into how he no longer "dances" during his battles. It's slow, gradual, and does not affect his personality (similar to Isamu) but it's there. Quote:
And it's not so much on it's "all about Alto," it's more about how she chooses to sing for him because she knows nothing else to do. Her ideals (singing for her home and friends or so people could know "she is here") were buried by her duties to Frontier because her songs affected the Vajra for Frontier; from a business POV, even if she so-called realistically "quit" singing, all she'd do is doom Frontier and lose all her friends regardless. Her admitting she sang for Alto all along never disregarded her initial dream because he is the first person to listen to her song, encourage her, and is her friend. Her choosing to sing for him regardless of situation is more on her focusing on a singular goal so her mind is straight and her emotions level; it's like how doctors tell you to focus on something else while you're in pain as a distraction. She does it to a level which is really quite romantic (honestly is) but does cripple her a little bit in the end when it all comes crashing down later on. Quote:
It's more along the lines of the characters disconnected from their own story for a bit. There's a big change and everyone molds to it without an issue for two or three episodes. And it's... baffling... because if there's one thing Frontier did do, it's showcase how big events concerned our main trio, especially; like Ranka leaving Frontier is given numerous showings of Alto panicking, cursing himself later on, and even shows Sheryl, Ozma, and Catherine seeing her go. This... did not happen with Grace becoming her manager; it's... accepted with no argument. Quote:
The dude is basically given a lucky ship to hide out in... and it's not there in his initial shot in episode 24 so again, I call bullshit. The fact he survives is definitely because of plot convenience because of course they didn't wish to kill off their MC right before the finale. And, of course, it'll come off really stupid in the end (and it does; thank god no one in Delta pulled this). Quote:
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2016-11-09, 10:42 | Link #2687 | |
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I don't believe Alto is a good protagonist, is aggravating to watch at times, and honestly hold Isamu above him because I could generally become invested in him more because he did something besides go into total "brood mode" whenever his self-esteem is questioned (ergo, dude literally spends an entire episode brooding over if he is a man or a woman! ). And finally, Frontier and Delta share elements and events on such a level that it's nearly a direct copy at times. It's not only episode 26, and of course, since no one will dare go ahead and re-watch Delta (because you're going to claim you have a photographic memory which is obviously not true) you'll never see how similar their plot holes in Delta mirror ones in Frontier. The only thing is, it's more noticeable in Delta because everyone randomly decided Frontier is the pinnacle of Macross and desired for Delta to erase those flaws (or in general any new Macross). Newsflash: Delta does nothing new for the franchise in terms of development overall, nor did Frontier do anything new because it directly parodied SDF-1 and DYRL at times. Unless Kawamori is willing to go in a completely new direction, not like Aquarion Logos but along the lines of abandoning a couple of Macross traits, Macross will not change period. Frontier is not better than Delta, especially its first half, and neither is Delta better than Frontier, especially its second half; both of them are basically not going to win against their predecessors, plain and simple, on the grander scale. |
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2016-11-09, 19:13 | Link #2688 |
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Yeah, I disagree, but, again, not going to continue this, since we won't agree anyway.
And I won't watch Delta again because I was fucking disgusted by the show, not because of whatever you tried to say there.
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2016-11-10, 16:55 | Link #2689 |
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Jeez, not everyone - and I wouldn't even go so far as to say a majority of the fandom - consider Frontier the pinnacle of anything. I sure don't.
Now, Sheryl, on the other hand...
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2018-12-25, 03:09 | Link #2699 |
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May'n always had more range. Both her and Megumi grew over the years. It's nice to hear and see them back together. I think you can tell that they are happy to do a collab and that Kanno picked them for Frontier for a reason.
I think Walküre is okay, but they don't have the same touch. [*SNIP*]
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