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View Poll Results: Tate no Yuusha/Shield Hero - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 1 | 8.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 4 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 25.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 8.33% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 16.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 8.33% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2019-05-03, 05:17 | Link #22 |
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Fitotrias' plan to summon new heroes sucks ass and is destined to fail. As long as the general public (mostly the Kingdom of Melromarc) and every non demi has a bias against the shield hero (something that isn't easy to chamlnge in people) the same problem will keep popping up no matter how many times you keep summoning heroes. That's without mentioning the kind of people the heroes are and the kind of personality they have, which for all they know will just clash with each other to the point of in fighting.
Is she hoping that somehow the new heroes will just work together with no problems at all? Does she not know that power and status corrupts people and telling someone they are some sort of super special entity in that world will corrupt them? It only takes ONE person in the group with delusions of grandeur to fuck shit up for everyone.
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2019-05-03, 09:17 | Link #23 | |
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2019-05-03, 10:45 | Link #24 |
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There's also the fact that the new heroes will also all be level 1 and have no idea what they're doing.
Would they even have any room to grow in time with us already several waves in and not near the beginning like Nafoumi's group? Don't know if there'd be enough time to level up enough to catch the difficulty curve.
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2019-05-03, 11:32 | Link #26 |
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Makes sense. If they haven't been fighting the waves over the continent because they've only been on this particular piece, they've been missing a crapton of EXP and materials and so on for the last few months. Bringing in new ones and having her basically carrying them when they show up means they'll basically be stronger than these four in short order. Think the Blue Mage from FFXIV, high exp growth means you basically let the Level Capped party member do all the work while they ride the wave.
Teaching them how to fight can come afterwards.
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2019-05-03, 12:01 | Link #27 |
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What I think is that the weapons are complementary in a real right (not training); bow for long distance, spear for mid distance, shield for defense and sword for meele/protecting the other that get close to bow.
But the fact that they have parties and that they thing this is a game is ruining what should be simple military/combat strategy. It reminds of a person asking how screwed you were if the us army attacked you with a tank , most people compared the tank vs the group of terrorists, until a real soldier pointed out that the us army is not going to send a whole tank, the tanks is gong to ahve a crew, accompaniying infantry a mechanic, etc... (the answer was very screwed). We also have to assume that the sacred weapons (shield, sword, bow, spear) are much stronger than this world's weapons or that the summoned people get bonuses from being summoned so a new set of guys might get better bonuses; worse case i't's just the weapons, but just by making them colaborate better on the real fights it shoudl be an improvement. wow, I almost complained about skipped stuff, but in raftalia's early episodes we were alreayd told a way to ahve underpowered new heroes can level up fast (and this si the forum were the guy was doing the level up math); simply have them "enslave" higher level party member and have them grind so they get the experience points without really fighting. Fitoria's plan is pretty solid if the heroes keep on acting dumb. |
2019-05-03, 18:26 | Link #28 | |
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Like, is there a specific kingdom that has "dibs" on or an affinity for the Sword Hero? Or do the Kingdoms barter over who gets which Hero? Obviously Melromarc seems anti-Shield Hero, and they didn't even want to summon him, so maybe there was another place Naofumi should've, ideally if things went as they normally should, popped up in? Actually kind of ironic that the Heroes who were all summoned together in the same place apparently have a worse track record for teamwork and fighting the Waves compared to the ones who were summoned to different kingdoms/continents entirely.
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2019-05-04, 08:27 | Link #29 | |
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And of course they have a bad track record of working together in Melmorac. First of all, Malty did a good job of painting the Shield hero as a demon. Next due to all Heroes being summoned into the same place, it HAS TO affect the money they get for completing a wave from the host country. Melmorac has all 4 heroes, so the max fund is probably getting split into 4 and then redivided according to usefulness. Next up is Malty making sure the spear hero gets favored in every way possible, making it hard for anyone to like him too much.
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You can sort of see this play out so far -- while the other heroes have been focusing on clearing the waves and not worrying about the consequences ("saving the world"), Naofumi and his party focused instead on protecting the people (and had to clean up the messes of the other parties who didn't think about that). Quote:
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2019-05-04, 18:40 | Link #31 | |
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2019-05-05, 09:49 | Link #32 | |
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The implication seemed obvious that choosing one means the perish of the other, in part of the whole of it. So it makes sense that saving the people means putting the world in danger again. Which is the logic behind it it's yet to be seen. I'd go further saying I felt like Fitoria kinda regretted the obvious choice (people) made back then and most probably in the near future. Feelings that would be in character for someone lived for so long. Also with someone ready to kill all the heroes "there and now" if the MC didn't have innate MC charming shield. Speaking about a second round of heroes, mmm, isn't too late? The waves are already too powerful now for a new hero to be a hero. They already are even for the current heroes.
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2019-05-05, 22:49 | Link #33 | |
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That said, I understand now the ambiguity in the line. 過去の勇者は人々を救う道を選んで欲しいと願っていた。 Basically it's like "the wish of the past heroes was: choose the path to save the people." But I think I get what you guys are saying (hopefully based on speculation not knowledge... ). Basically, past heroes chose the people, which would mean that there would need to be future heroes, continuing the cycle. They expected that future heroes would continue to choose to save the people indefinitely, since maybe the alternative was unimaginable to them. But Fitoria, having lived through so many endless cycles of this now, is thinking that maybe they've been making the wrong choice, and saving the world (and ending the cycle) is the better move. In other words, to get off this endless "thorny road" they've been on forever. It would indeed fit her status of someone who's lived for so long and is tired of it all. (Which, along appointing her successor, is a major death flag...) Of course, all this is leading to the possibility that there might actually be a third path somehow -- something the other heroes never considered because they were so focused on whatever decision they made without having lived through the consequences over many cycles. And considering the Melomarc's corruption at this point, perhaps a different path is needed this time.
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2019-05-06, 10:35 | Link #35 | |
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My take on it is more Fitoria related than the heroes. Given the distinction she made to Naofumi I think since back then she witnessed first hand the (I suppose) great struggle heroes had when faced with this choice, this time she told him in advance for various reasons. First surely to help him being ready when the time will come, but also because it's her who is expecting Naofumi will choose People over the World. I mean, I'm going for the obvious here, for anime standards, the right path is choose People and naofumi so far has never contradicted any of these standards and I don't see him doing it in the near future. Fitoria knows that much. So she knows what Naofumi will do (pats don't lie!) So telling him about the issue so much in advance seems a way to give him all the due to make the right choice, but which is the right choice for her? She thinks that if someone is asked point-blank to choose between people and the world the natural answer would be the former. So Fitoria is giving time to Naofumi to be able to elaborate. In the hidden, not so hidden, personal hope he will go for the World. Of course, as you are, I'm expecting him to chose the third path to save everything. And considering the character, the price to accomplish it seems quite obvious, Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return after all. Not sure if it's equivalent though. And also too easy as a price. mmm, so probably it is not equivalent.
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2019-05-07, 22:46 | Link #37 | |
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That said, the fact that there are video games in the other realities that play out exactly like this is itself probably not a coincidence. The larger question is indeed: what is really going on with this world, and who is pulling the strings?
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