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Mind that mental torture / abuse can only be properly done after profiling.
I think Rambo: First Blood (1982) is good example for movies that noted this application. The policemen first try to looking for who Rambo is, if he have any friends, families & relatives as they planned to intimidate him through them to assert dominance. When they can only learned he's war veteran, what he got is physical torture; expecting his attitude will quickly fall, giving up due to PTSD. Another movie also by Stallone IIRC, where he's framed and mentally tortured. The whole process of mental torture took 1 month. There's also this movie I forgot the title, its about investigation to terrorist. In this movie, the deuteragonist (an investigator) higher-ups pressured him for quick result so the deuteragonist made call to kill the terrorist family (the family not even know one of their family member is terrorist) as he only able to learn the terrorist is someone who loved his family based on how the terrorist put temporary works with high payment exclusively to his poor relatives. One by one, after the terrorist's brother shown 'splattered' on screen, the terrorist cried and begging for physical torture but the investigator told him its his own fault involving his family on first place that physical torture now can only be done once the military run out of "practice target". While all of it are fictional example, conclusion pretty much what Kenneth did is not fall into "unbelievable because debunked". Without going to meta reason like "movie duration", gotta think how long it took if he resort to mental torture. One of reason Kenneth promoted to take lead is because of his aptitude; a building destroyed, casualties significant enough, the military put him there as solution to the whole issue not to enjoy Saturday night in a bar with Gigi.
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2021-07-28, 07:31 | Link #82 |
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Char Counterattack is currently airing on official Gundam YouTube channel.
Either they planned this before or they notice on how more experienced audience will always suggested to watch CC to understand Hathaway better. Nice move anyway.
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2021-07-29, 02:54 | Link #83 | |
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Also, is it just me, or suggesting newcomers to watch CCA first before HF will only confuse them? Heck, plenty of UC fans were confused when they watched CCA for the first time since the beginning of the movie felt like a second-act already . Obviously, both HF & CCA are not the ideal starting point for following UC timeline. But if I have to choose between the two, I'd recommend newcomers to directly jump into HF. It's a lot easier to follow.
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2021-07-29, 05:09 | Link #84 | |
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From live chat at premiere itself one can guess the audience ratio roughly 50:50. Half already knew about UC beforehand, half come from either Hathaway or Unicorn, so its good enough to met balance where some audience willing to explain events before CCA. Live chat, despite mostly Korean audience, is a blast with memes like lolicon Char or Hathaway and Gyunei treated as example of bad simp (LOL), especially Hathaway after he killed Chen (which shocked several people coming from Hathaway Flash and Unicorn). Watching CCA again after Hathaway Flash made me wanted to praise HF again as its precision made CCA looks like a prequel movie you never knew you wanted.
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Either of those result can't be good for newcomers. Of course, there is a 3rd possibility that newcomers will just enjoy both CCA & HF and eat them all up but I think only those with very-open-mind will react that way. Quote:
HF movie (at least this first one) is a the result of a dynamite duo of Yasuyuki Muto (Unicorn OVAs writer & Re:Rise savior) & Shouko Murase (Ergo Proxy, Argento Soma, Genocidal Organ, etc). So I knew they'd do a good job adapting the (first) novel. They even trim some unnecessary fluff like the tired (pun intended) car chase in the novel.
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2021-09-10, 17:58 | Link #86 |
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The movie's BD has sold almost 100,000 (or more, since the last update is more than 1 month old.), in movie theaters, but it has now come out on amazon and is already the most wanted. https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/dp/B09...EHMWQD0T1K8DVP |
2021-12-05, 23:51 | Link #89 |
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Finally got around to remembering to watch this. I'm not a big Gundam fan. I don't dislike Gundam. It just means... I just haven't seen a lot of Gundam. I'm super ok with giant robots and space politics and all that stuff. Just never really turned my attention to Gundam for whatever reason beyond somehow watching all of Gundam Wing back in the day. So I come to this movie with a fairly thin knowledge of Gundam's mainline history.
On one hand, I was fairly pleased. For a few reasons:
That said, overall, I was not impressed by the movie.
Just, all in all, I thought there was a lot of good ideas and good scenes in isolation here, but also a whole lot of wasted opportunity to tell an actually good story or have actually compelling characters or show actually interesting battles. If I had to choose, I'd take Macross Zero over this in terms of story, character motivations, and combat. Heck, I'd take Aldnoah.Zero, and its notable flaws, over this. I didn't hate this movie... but it also didn't leave me with much more than a shrug...
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I don't know. I know the Federation are corrupt, but Hathway shot a hotel to kill a couple of guys. Yeah, the guy stating that he hopes those who are about to die could forgive them but still I really found it hard to not really fault them for using him as a meat shield...
Not that I approve of them shooting down on their city, and the fight in itself was terrifying from a civilian point of view.
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Also, the hotel that mafty shot housed much more than "a couple of ministers".
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As for why Hathaway is using such extreme terrorist methods now, that requires some info that is shown in the movie but not gone into detail. Spoiler:
I hope that gives better context to movie and why Hataway feels the need for such extreme terrorist tactics. I still wouldn't call him a hero or even an anti-Hero. Hes more of an anti-villain at best but hopefully his actions make more sense now. Also, I hope its clear now that the Earth Federation in this movie is A LOT more corrupt and cruel than we've seen before in UC. The Fed by this point has become a lot more oppressive even to those living on Earth. P.S. I should clarify why Mafty wants humans off the Earth. After the One Year war and all the colony drops on Earth in the UC timeline (I believe 4 in total that were successful), the Earth has been heavily environmentally damage. Despite this the Federation is continuing to heavily pollute the Earth making the planet's recovery unlikely. Its possible in time that the Federation exploitation and abuse of the Earth will render it uninhabitable. Keep in mind that how much damage has been done. Among the vast damage, Australia was devasted and the bread basket midwest of Amercia wiped out all by Colony Drops.
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I finally got the watched the movie. breathtaking visuals. loved it but a bit bulky gundam. that's my take on the designs. smart and suave fed commander and a terrorist mc. he has doubts and he wavers at first but he pushes through. with no way out of the current government, force is needed. the heroine of the story is crazy. she remind me of that crazy girl in gundam wing the long blond hair and design gives me that feel. though she's a bit innocent too when the fighting starts, unlike that girl in gundam wing which is really crazy.
loved the movie and recommend it.
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According to Tomino, Gundam is still very relevant because 'the real world hasn't progressed and may even have regressed'. I can well believe this, watching a film that glorifies neo-fascist terrorists in the ignoble tradition of Battle Royale II and the May 15th incident (Do remember everyone, Char Ansible was a fascist lolicon). Where the 22nd century heroine is a prostitute and sexualised trophy rather than a head of state, with vomit-worthy feminine intuition, while the action centres on a miserable chauvinist and a plank in a blazer. Even the female pilot is presented as a fragile, sobbing ninny. The Gundam wiki explicitly says she's not skilled enough to be a regular pilot; this is simply unacceptable.
Sympathetic prostitute/mistress characters need a good reason for their job, usually the historical period, which Gigi absolutely lacks. They absolutely need to be physically brave and tough; Helena from Eden or Luca from Berserk would have stood up to a Gundam on foot rather better than Hathaway, or his abusive, foolish father. Code Geass understood that sympathetic terrorists, real or fictional, must strictly confine themselves to liberating their homeland from recent invasion by an absolute tyranny. Schnitzel's aide even reminded him at the end that fighting for power rather than a people is 'only terrorism'. However corrupt the Earth government is, assassination is not a means of political change, unless reactionary. Certainly not by a group with a supervillain-worthy political program revering the memory of Char, whose clear presentation as a fascist was one of the better things about Gundam. One of the worst is the abiding Japanese idea that any motive is noble if sincerely believed in; a sick joke that is certainly no longer funny in the age of Trump. No one who wasn't absolutely desperate, deficient or immoral would actually support Mafty, and this film absolutely fails in its duty to remind the public of that. Of course, this is all from a novel written in the 1990s. Of course, it is still profitable for filmmakers to regurgitate chauvinist rubbish from the 1990s, if they're not making new series like IBO and 86 which are just as bad, because some people haven't changed. Last edited by Ghostfriendly; 2022-11-03 at 06:33. |
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Also yes, things like Trump government etc proved Tomino that the world may even have regressed. Making the corruptly powerful (yet incompetent in certain parts) EF government looks even more horribly realistic than when the novel was written. The novel was actually written from 1989 to 1990.
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Political assassination and terrorist bombings are not grey morality, which is a contradiction in terms; there certainly isn't as much of it as people prepared to romanticise terrorism think, in a franchise about fighting space Nazis. Hathaway's puerile ideas are presented seriously, and his supporters are presented as reasonable, thoughtful persons who never leave a man behind and (hypocritically) pray for their victims' rest before they blow them up - when these are people whose cause and methods are as morally bankrupt as Al-Qaeda's. Plenty of poor and desperate people in the real world think of Al-Qaeda as the good guys, sticking it to those horribly rich and corrupt Westerners; that does not justify Al-Qaeda's existence. The film fails because it fails to absolutely condemn this kind of terrorism, give any voice to victims of terrorism, or show the support of such terrorism for any reason as insupportable. I explicitly said in my last post that the problem was not that the Maftists were supported, but that their support and supporters aren't condemned as blinded by poverty and insensibility into following an evil cause, or as evil followers of an evil cause. Although the Earth government are deporting persons to the colonies, that isn't worth mentioning next to Carol and Tuesday's anti-Trump satire. You'll remember that it's Trump supporters who are violently threatening the 'corrupt Washington elite' in the same way as the Maftists, with as much morality. By even suggesting that assassination is a justifiable response to political corruption, the film condemns itself. This is not a debatable case where media can present an open question, but where it has a social responsibility not to romanticise terrorists or repeat their lies. Last edited by Ghostfriendly; 2022-11-03 at 08:44. |
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Also, instead of comparing Mafty to Al-Qaeda, Mafty is actually more comparable to the Rebel from the Andor show. The people here hate EF just as much as the people on Andor hate The Empire. Don't forget that the corruption of the EF goes way back from treating their own Earthnoid subjects like shit from the UC 0079 calendar to being responsible for the TITANS who gassed colonies killing millions which is much worse than what the Nazi did. They then became more or less totalitarian government from around UC 0090s to UC 0105 during Hathaway's event, not only deporting the people they deemed "unworthy of living on Earth" but also killing them when they see fit. Their forces was not named "Manhunter" for nothing. Hence the UC people's hate for EF government has much much much stronger base than Al-Qeda's hate for the "US of A". Also, say what you want, but I like that Gundam simply portray "terrorist" organizations like AEUG & Mafty as simply something that exist. They left the judgement for the audience to decide. They just show you the people inside said organizations & how they work. AEUG & Mafty do not kill civillian/non-EF higher-ups willy nilly like Al-Qaeda killing innocent civilians. They killed innocent civillians by way of collateral damage (which they didn't want to happen). Hence, it's more than natural to see members of such organization feeling guilty of said collateral damage and offer them some prayers. That's simply because no rebel effort or revolution can be done without collateral damage to innocent people. That's just the reality of it.
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