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I can kind of tell in the first few minutes that this lead will be exhausting. Even before the world ended this guy was like that. Not that I don't get his situation being a tough one with finding out he had that condition and having to enter cold sleep. But what was even his ideal result there? That Erisa herself would volunteer waiting for him? Ironic to say that he can't ask her to wait a few years for him to get better when he waited at least that many years to bother confessing to her in the first place .
Thankfully for him that's basically what happened. I tend to agree that the logic here seems shaky. On some level I get the rush. But shouldn't they wait until the kid is born and determine if that kid has immunity? I guess in the worst case they can always put these guys back into cold sleep and continue looking for a cure. But waiting for the pregnant woman to give birth isn't such a long time that they can't wait. If society is going to crumble anyways they won't last until any kids born grow up in the first place. I get that giving people hope could be valuable, but again that won't happen until the first kid is born anyways. Kind of swings back as well to my initial view of the topic. It's fine if he wants to find Erisa first. But he'll have to face reality that just having kids with her probably won't be good enough. Even if they find a cure and get back however many men are in cold sleep still that's probably going to remain the case. Erisa going missing is weird. There shouldn't be a need to do that, presuming she's trying to find a cure. I guess there's a possibility that someone near the top wanted to massacre the male population of the world. Maybe it's another tale of evil AI trying to wipe out humanity. Although I'm not sure if the disease was created by a machine that they'd only have it affect half the population.
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And what would stop artificial insemination? That moves things out of any chance of being a natural occurrence and into enemy action. |
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Watched the first episode, and the censorship was quite annoying. I assume in Japan there is also an uncensored version, right?
Having read the manga I'm not going to say anything about the plot, other than yeah, when watching this series one has to accept that giving a scientifically accurate explanation of how a pandemic and repopulation work was a secondary goal compared to establishing the setting.
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Since Shuumatsu no Harem is about repopulating humanity and worrying about the rest later (let's assume they have the tech to worry about the rest later), I'll assume that we don't care about evolutionary potential. In this case, an Ne of 50 can still cause inbreeding depression, (the tolerance that paper states is 10% over 5 generations), and the paper suggests that Ne = 100 is more appropriate. In the context of Shuumatsu no Harem, we assume that finding females aren't a problem, so answering the question, 5 men is nowhere near enough: the IUCN Ne of 50 (i.e. 50 men) is the minimum, but Ne of 100 (100 men) would be much better. Having said this, if we allow the in-show claim that 99.9% of males were wiped out by the virus to hold true, that still leaves 0.1%. This corresponds to of 3970239 men (if we assume there are about 3970238390 males in the world), which would be more than enough. It sounds like a very roundabout way of setting things up, and Shuumatsu no Harem isn't going to withstand vigorous scientific scrutiny. In other words, this is an aspect of the show that's not likely worth worrying about.
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One would need to go to about 0.00001% before it begins to seriously impact the Ne values. As previously noted, the science falls apart under scrutiny, so it's not like I'm going to approach this one expecting anything that would pass a Nature peer review.
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And if women are all "Typhoid Mary"s in the setting why even try to have male children in the first place? Since 99.9 percent of them are going to die even if they could be brought to term. There is no reason(in fact every reason not) to think that whatever made the five guys immune would be passed on in their genes. "But they were under going gene therapy so that should be passed on?" If it was that easy why not just run all the sick men in cold sleep through the same thing? "Because it is some strange effect of the disease plus cure so just using the cure would do not good." That should actually make it easier since then all you should have to look at is how the cure leaves the patients genes, which should be incredibly well documented already to even let the cure be used. So either the writer understands nothing about the sciencey words he is writing or the cure is not genetic. |
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You're supposed to give the author the benefit of the doubt. Without that, it's going to be hard to enjoy most fiction. It's only once the author breaks their own rules or the rules that one would assume to carry over from reality and have not been suggested to be inapplicable, only then should you blame the author. A dumb premise does not mean a story can't be good, as long as it remains consistent in what kind of realism/internal rules are or aren't in effect. |
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As for how many males are needed to repopulate the world so are that not a hard number as the paper is about how many is needed for risks to be eliminated. There is an actual real world example of 2 males repopulating an issolated island, so it's hardly a case of not being worth trying with 5. |
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Well, that didn't take long. The virus was revealed to be man-made (more like woman-made) and there's a huge conspiracy out there. Now, you may think exterminating all males is fucking dumb since that would mean humanity would go extinct within a hundred years, but I think we were given their solution to the problem: cloning with a little bit of gene splicing. Suou is definitely Erisa's "enhanced" clone based on what they said.
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I never knew a mainstream anime would be allowed to show full on nudity as much as this anime does. There's some out there, but this one seems to have more. It's definitely more for guys watching than for girls because they don't show #2's package, nor any of the women's nether regions in detail (is there a law in Japan that forbids media to portray those anatomical body parts?)
Anyways, regarding the episode, I hope the conspiracy and levels of twists and plotlines are deep and convoluted. Seems like we are already getting some of that, but also some really wild and non sense ideas: - The red haired attendant (to #1) was silent but had a suspicious smile - The purple haired attendant is so much like the childhood friend, but she seems to have a way to communicate with her - The bodyguard and nurse are not what they initially seemed to be, and both have to sleep in the same bed (wtf) - Random bear breaks loose, just for the plotline to reveal who the real bodyguard is - Secret higher (mid level) women organization monitoring and controlling the actions of the men and women around them At this point, I don't really know who to trust. Is the purple attendant a nice person? Why does she have a way to communicate with Erisa? Is Erisa telling the truth about the MK virus being human made? Maybe the little sister is the only other true good person left, besides #2. The show is interesting as it draws some parallels to the coronavirus pandemic we are currently living in. I just hope it doesn't turn into a total dumpster fire (even though there have been moments). |
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By 1800 so was there one male survivor, but I admit that there were also some kids from the other now dead males. But the genepool was very limited and the island managed to survive. My point is mostly that numbers like at least 50 males relates to limiting the risks and not a hard number as even one male and one female could work if lucky with genes. |
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