High School DxD [LN/M] - Discussion about Other Topics

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Xuanwu

Anyway, I was wondering about something. How come Valerie suffers mental damage from using the Holy Grail, but Rizevim and Marius did not? Apophis didn't suffer mental damage as well.

As a side note, could it be possible that Valerie's three Holy Grails have specific abilities?

- For example, Marius extracted one from Valerie and he claimed he would not be able to resurrect Valerie but that he could make a clone of her. Keep in mind Marius attained regeneration comparable to a Phenex with this Grail. So he can regenerate, but not resurrect others.

- On the other hand, Apophis could summon/resurrect Evil Dragons with the Grail he stole from Rizevim but he could not regenerate. So he could resurrect others, but not regenerate from his wounds.

Because Sephiroth Graal was just a plot device for the fourth arc and Ishibumi needed a justification why Valerie really couldn't use it afterwards because he understands that it would break the series if Valerie could just use it whenever she liked. The same reason we don't see Annihilation Maker anymore.

If Ishibumi really cared about certain limitations he wouldn't have Sairaorg using Breakdown the Beast all the time considering it consumes his life force.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by Xuanwu

Keep in mind Marius attained regeneration comparable to a Phenex with this Grail. So he can regenerate, but not resurrect others.

According with DXD 0's spoiler the Belzeebub guy who has used the Malebranche even have a regeneration power.

We also have Thrihexa and Jabberwocky who also show regenerative power.

Marius with the Grail, Belzeebub guy with Malebranche, Thriheza and Jabberwocky have make Phenex's trait so few special

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

If Ishibumi really cared about certain limitations he wouldn't have Sairaorg using Breakdown the Beast all the time considering it consumes his life force.

Just like the case of Kiba that with all times he has used Gram he could be slowly die without that Ishibumi, the other characters and he himself even realize that

[Xuanwu]

Many other characters have the regeneration ability. Azi Dahaka, Tartarus, Yamata-no-Orochi, etc. Ruval had a team of immortals. Gasper also regenerated his arm when Fenrir bit it off.

Something more confusing is that the Phenex were supposed to have wind powers, IIRC. But they really only use fire for some reason.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

If Ishibumi really cared about certain limitations he wouldn't have Sairaorg using Breakdown the Beast all the time considering it consumes his life force.

Devils have almost unlimited lifeforce so losing a dozen or even a hundred years every other day isn't a big deal.

[B214]

Has Regulus ever use promotion? I feel like Regulus has never used promotion out of consideration to Sairaorg.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by B214

Has Regulus ever use promotion? I feel like Regulus has never used promotion out of consideration to Sairaorg.

I think he hasn't ever used the promotion long the whole story

You think something in future could happened for Sairoarg and Regulus related to promotion?

[B214]

Originally Posted by Hyodou True DXD

I think he hasn't ever used the promotion long the whole story

You think something in future could happened for Sairoarg and Regulus related to promotion?

Ise has the trianna & CxC. I can see Regulus and Sairaorg having their own version.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by B214

Ise has the trianna & CxC. I can see Regulus and Sairaorg having their own version.

The problem here in that case Issei have the pawns pieces in his body and ILM and CXC were the result of various stuff: the modification of pawns pieces from Ajuka for make them more adapt to Ddraig's power, Issei's feeling for Rias and breast and the help he has get from the former possessor in overcome the JD's curse and unlock Ddraig's original aura.

Sadly in the Ishi's blog unlike the case of the Longinus of Issei, Vali, Gasper, Tobio and Cao Cao the Regulus Nemea didn't have the ???

But you know I agree that Sairoarg must find a alternative to Breakdown The Beast. Maybe it could be possible for him get something new with Regulus thanks maybe if in some way he improved his Lion Taming's ability and the Touki.


Something like the ILM and the CXC could have been possible for Saji if Ishi wouldn't have turn him into a sideline character

It would have been enough that Ajuka would have modified his pawns pieces as well and development his relantionship with Sona but I know that is too late for this

[B214]

Originally Posted by Hyodou True DXD

The problem here in that case Issei have the pawns pieces in his body and ILM and CXC were the result of various stuff: the modification of pawns pieces from Ajuka for make them more adapt to Ddraig's power, Issei's feeling for Rias and breast and the help he has get from the former possessor in overcome the JD's curse and unlock Ddraig's original aura.

Sadly in the Ishi's blog unlike the case of the Longinus of Issei, Vali, Gasper, Tobio and Cao Cao the Regulus Nemea didn't have the ???

But you know I agree that Sairoarg must find a alternative to Breakdown The Beast. Maybe it could be possible for him get something new with Regulus thanks maybe if in some way he improved his Lion Taming's ability and the Touki.


Something like the ILM and the CXC could have been possible for Saji if Ishi wouldn't have turn him into a sideline character

It would have been enough that Ajuka would have modified his pawns pieces as well and development his relantionship with Sona but I know that is too late for this

Regulus has the pawn pieces though. Instead of Sairaorg power up alone. I'm thinking both of them power up.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by B214

Regulus has the pawn pieces though. Instead of Sairaorg power up alone. I'm thinking both of them power up.

Yeah Regulus has pieces as well but from what we know they haven't get any modification by Ajuka yet. Maybe Ajuka would modified them cause Brekdown The Beast's power have influenced them like the JD did with Issei's pieces.

I think that if Sairoarg could get something it wouldn't be just cause Regulus's pieces, maybe it would be something about his Lion Taming's ability and the Touki.

Maybe it can be that the first generation Vapula is still alive and like Runeas is doing with Rias he or she could try to make Sairoarg stronger by teaching something about the Lion Taming's ability that could help in using better the Regulus's power.

For what concern the Touki maybe Indra could be satisfied enough by his fight with Sairoarg that could choice to reward him by giving him special training on the Touki under the guidance of Sun Wukong and Nehza.

I find more logical for his character that his safe alternative of Sairoarg to Breakdown The Beast should be something achieved through hard training and trying to better himself with what he already has instead of imitating Issei using pawns pieces.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Hyodou True DXD

Yeah Regulus has pieces as well but from what we know they haven't get any modification by Ajuka yet. Maybe Ajuka would modified them cause Brekdown The Beast's power have influenced them like the JD did with Issei's pieces.

I think that if Sairoarg could get something it wouldn't be just cause Regulus's pieces, maybe it would be something about his Lion Taming's ability and the Touki.

Maybe it can be that the first generation Vapula is still alive and like Runeas is doing with Rias he or she could try to make Sairoarg stronger by teaching something about the Lion Taming's ability that could help in using better the Regulus's power.

For what concern the Touki maybe Indra could be satisfied enough by his fight with Sairoarg that could choice to reward him by giving him special training on the Touki under the guidance of Sun Wukong and Nehza.

I find more logical for his character that his safe alternative of Sairoarg to Breakdown The Beast should be something achieved through hard training and trying to better himself with what he already has instead of imitating Issei using pawns pieces.

Well Illegal Move: Triana and Cardinal Crimson Promotion were specifically unique to Issei because of factors like his pawn pieces being adjusted and the nature of his Boosted Gear. Sairaorg doesn't have evil pieces but rather Regulus does and there are most likely things Sairaorg can't do with Regulus because he's not an actual Longinus possessor like the rest of them. His relationship with Regulus is more akin to a contract with a familiar.

Sairaorg or Regulus have no long-range offensive capabilities as far as I've seen. And even if you had him promote to queen it would just be a massive power boost that is already typical to the Longinus and won't result in any unique changes like with Issei's Boosted Gear.

Besides Issei being the MC means certain power-ups are unique to him and him alone.

Sairaorg's last major fight is likely going to be against Insta because after that who's more powerful than him that he could take on. That's why Ishibumi threw him a bone and had him defeat Balberith by nerfing him. Sairaorg isn't winning against Indra and he's likely is at the end of the road as far as power-ups are concerned.

What point would there be in any potential power-uo if Sairaorg had no one to use it against? Ishibumi could just simply tweak the power of Sairaorg's Breakdown the Beast to have him fight Indra on somewhat even footing. Maybe by condensing the power of it and maintaining it longer.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Sairaorg's last major fight is likely going to be against Insta because after that who's more powerful than him that he could take on.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

What point would there be in any potential power-uo if Sairaorg had no one to use it against?

I don't think that is fight with Indra would be his last one, also perhaps his fight again Indra could be even not so much longer that the one he has again Shooting Star.

The Malebranche that are 12 and Eevie that were said to be God Class and God Chief's level and Issei, Vali, Cao Cao and Tobio can't be anywhere in every time so Sairoarg could still have some important opponent.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Ishibumi could just simply tweak the power of Sairaorg's Breakdown the Beast to have him fight Indra on somewhat even footing. Maybe by condensing the power of it and maintaining it longer.

I'm agree that he could do that.

[Xuanwu]

Condensing the power, how? Are there other examples of similar power-ups in the novel? Genuinely confused.

I wouldn't mind one last powerup for Sairaorg against Indra, so he can reach Transcendental-class. But I don't know how he could reasonably reach that level cause Breakdown the Beast is the natural limit of Regulus.

So he indeed needs some other avenue to get stronger. Although I wouldn't like Sairaorg using a Malebranche.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Xuanwu

Condensing the power, how? Are there other examples of similar power-ups in the novel? Genuinely confused.

I wouldn't mind one last powerup for Sairaorg against Indra, so he can reach Transcendental-class. But I don't know how he could reasonably reach that level cause Breakdown the Beast is the natural limit of Regulus.

So he indeed needs some other avenue to get stronger. Although I wouldn't like Sairaorg using a Malebranche.

There was the training Sun Wukong did with Issei and Vali in Volume 17.

Ishibumi already bended the rules regarding Sacred Gears where Regulus is concerned just so Sairaorg could have a Longinus. Sairaorg and Regulus would have certain limits simply because Sairaorg isn't in reality a Longinus possessor in the typical sense and Regulus is a Longinus without a possessor. Breakdown the Beast is likely the cap of what they are capable of.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by Xuanwu

Although I wouldn't like Sairaorg using a Malebranche.

Using them would be again his character but in part he already have put his pride and his rule of using just his body aside when he accept to use Regulus's power.

The only possible case in which he could accept to use them could be when the life of his mother, half-brother and peerage's members would be in danger and The Breakdown The Beast's form is already show to don't be enough again his possible opponent.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

There was the training Sun Wukong did with Issei and Vali in Volume 17.

It can be, also considering that Sairoarg is a Touki user maybe Wukong could teach him something.

[Dareal_truth]

If you guys had the power to rewrite Shin 4 how would y'all done it? Personally it'll have Ophis talking to Vali one last time [ before she goes to the other side] and hades bring out samel but igvild is there to help and have ise get beat up by balberth but have ise explain to him he should choose what life he wants and did ophis says her goodbye too ise

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Dareal_truth

If you guys had the power to rewrite Shin 4 how would y'all done it? Personally it'll have Ophis talking to Vali one last time [ before she goes to the other side] and hades bring out samel but igvild is there to help and have ise get beat up by balberth but have ise explain to him he should choose what life he wants

No Meredith and no Alphecca Tyrant.

No going to London. Just have them assault the Netherworld.

No fake Heavenly Dragons.

Issei fighting Balberith. Vali and Fenrir fighting Hades and Angra Mainyu with Hades using Samael.

More interesting abilities for Hades. Major Greek god, Top 10 being, and god of the Netherworld and all he gets is typical aura blasts and teleportation? He should have had major HAX and Ishibuni knows he could have done better.

Arthur and Strada each fighting one of the Ultimate-class devils that became Maou-class. They're supposed to be two of the strongest humans. Ishibumi should show it. Leave the other three to Lavinia, Magnus Rose, and Lint.

Have Issei get True DxD through Ingvild singing.

[Dareal_truth]

I love this scenario but against Arthur and Strada I'm guessing you talking about the devils in shin 3 that will be interesting mix mash so ophis would have to go? Because he can't awaken TDXD without the infinity but I love ingvild having a op role to play and most likely will adapt to Balberith abilities while helping ise at the same time

[Xuanwu]

Nice ideas. Honestly, just removing the Alphecca Tyrant plot device bullshit and giving Hades better abilities would have made the volume better.

I also don't think Ishibumi should have killed off Great Red, especially in that manner. It's typical worf effect, which is never really a good thing.

[Hyodou True DXD]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Vali and Fenrir fighting Hades and Angra Mainyu with Hades using Samael.

Considering the power Hades has show using Samael would have been too much.

I don't wonder why Ishi make Hades forgot that he could count on Samael since his power would have make the Hell Gods to much in advantage.

Samael was like Leonard's Longinus, after having done his task he get not involved in the plot anymore since his power make him a threat so big that he should use just in some situations.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

More interesting abilities for Hades. Major Greek god, Top 10 being, and god of the Netherworld and all he gets is typical aura blasts and teleportation? He should have had major HAX and Ishibuni knows he could have done better.

I agree on this, he is the God Of The Netherworld he should have some sort ability that involved the death and the souls.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Arthur and Strada each fighting one of the Ultimate-class devils that became Maou-class. They're supposed to be two of the strongest humans. Ishibumi should show it. Leave the other three to Lavinia, Magnus Rose, and Lint.

You know considering that Strada was having the advantage even again Vali EOJD and Nerfed Fenrir and that was said that god like beings were scary by strenght he show in the Azazel Cup beating a Maou Class devil for me isn't so much so impressive from him.

But I'm agree that Ishi should have show up those 5 Ultimate Class devils with the potential of be Maou Class.

I'm afraid he have forgotten about them, such a waste.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Have Issei get True DxD through Ingvild singing.

I dunno about this.

[D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost! D∞D Boost!!!!!!!]

From my jewel, a completely new voice that I’d never heard before echoed loudly! At the same time, an unknown power started to overflow from my body! It seemed to have risen from my depths! Light purple particles started to appear around us and they surrounded my comrades. These were the particles that appeared when she was singing in the park—.

Despite what Issei have say on Shin DX 1 I'm not sure that Ingvild could have let him reach the True DXD G.

Honestly considering how much Ishi want remember to us that Issei's powers are related to girls's breast I don't mind that he has get True DXD G after having remember his love for them.