The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[wtflux]

im pretty sure this and other info have been posted before, but in the illustration with the 3 girls...

Spoiler:

girl on the left is tachibana kyouko, ESPer.
middle is suou somethingorother, human interface.
right is sasaki, haruhi's 'competition.'
sneering bastard(not in the picture) is fujiwara, the time traveler.

they are all members of various rival factions.

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by wtflux

im pretty sure this and other info have been posted before, but in the illustration with the 3 girls...

Spoiler:

girl on the left is tachibana kyouko, ESPer.
middle is suou somethingorother, human interface.
right is sasaki, haruhi's 'competition.'
sneering bastard(not in the picture) is fujiwara, the time traveler.

they are all members of various rival factions.

In fact, they've been posted here and here.

[LumpOfCole]

It would be funny if Haruhi found out about the alternate brigade by discovering the nature of their being time traveler, alien, and ESPer.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by LumpOfCole

It would be funny if Haruhi found out about the alternate brigade by discovering the nature of their being time traveler, alien, and ESPer.

She didn't believe Kyon when he told her about Mikuru, Yuki and Itsuki, so I kinda doubt she'd believe the claims of some strangers about that kind of thing.
If they decided to prove it to her, though, that'd be a whole different bucket of fish.

[X207]

yup after that ep where kyon and haruhi are in a closed space he told her about those three, predicatlbly she though he was pulling a joke on her

[TigerII]

Well just finished novel 7. Poor Kyon, after a few suggestive lines, doesn't look like he gets to live a normal life even after highschool. Which also means that this series could go through many more books.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by X207

yup after that ep where kyon and haruhi are in a closed space he told her about those three, predicatlbly she though he was pulling a joke on her

Of course, since they have a time traveler they should be able to find out some of what has happened. What would Haruhi think if one of them mentioned that the symbol she drew in middle school ment "I am here, come look for me" in an alien language and then told her that Kyon helped her draw it and then told her that his name was John Smith.

[X207]

well that was john smith, not technically a time travelr she'd look for because he got access to machine thru mikuru

[Kulkillian]

Originally Posted by X207

well that was john smith, not technically a time travelr she'd look for because he got access to machine thru mikuru

I'd say anyone who travels through time is technically a time traveler...

Spoiler:

and anyone who travels to an alternate reality (even if it is temporary) is technically a "slider". Kyon even fared better than Koizumi in destroying gray space. All Kyon needs to do now is discover his adoption papers.

Actually this novel should be a cause of celebration for Kyonists. It suggests that while Kyon can exist without the SOS Brigade, it can't exist without him. It also suggests that Suzumiya type "gods" are a dime a dozen (or at least as common in Tanigawa's world as data manipulating aliens, ESPers, and time travellers). While the three other members of the SOS Brigade have different alliances (and are suspicious of the organizations to which the other members belong): both Koizumi and Nagato have pledged loyalty to Kyon, and Mikuru is taking orders from her superiors based on Kyon's recommendations.

It's obvious that Kyon's not a god because he's far more important.

[Kinny Riddle]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31059

The timeline has been updated to include vol 8 as well as the names of two new characters introduced in vol 7 but only first mentioned in vol 9.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Kulkillian

I'd say anyone who travels through time is technically a time traveler...

Spoiler:

and anyone who travels to an alternate reality (even if it is temporary) is technically a "slider". Kyon even fared better than Koizumi in destroying gray space. All Kyon needs to do now is discover his adoption papers.

Actually this novel should be a cause of celebration for Kyonists. It suggests that while Kyon can exist without the SOS Brigade, it can't exist without him. It also suggests that Suzumiya type "gods" are a dime a dozen (or at least as common in Tanigawa's world as data manipulating aliens, ESPers, and time travellers). While the three other members of the SOS Brigade have different alliances (and are suspicious of the organizations to which the other members belong): both Koizumi and Nagato have pledged loyalty to Kyon, and Mikuru is taking orders from her superiors based on Kyon's recommendations.

It's obvious that Kyon's not a god because he's far more important.

Perhaps Kyon, when he wished that ESPers, Time Travelers, Aliens, and Sliders really existed, actually sent the powers to a number of differen't girls who were capable of using them. But Haruhi was the one who became unstable and started using them. And Kyon is the key. In order for them to fully utilize the powers he has to be around.

And I really like the new aliens hair. I wonder what it would look like in ponytails.

[malaujai]

i have a quick question regarding the novels:

i have not started reading them yet, but is the order of the novels (volumes, chapters) in a chronological order, unlike the anime?

[X207]

Originally Posted by malaujai

i have a quick question regarding the novels:

i have not started reading them yet, but is the order of the novels (volumes, chapters) in a chronological order, unlike the anime?

nope they are not chronological, in the end it isnt too confusing

[Mirrinus]

The novels technically aren't in chronological order, but they're a lot less confusing than the anime. If you read the novels in the order they were published, they'll make perfect sense. This is probably because unlike the anime, the novels don't interrupt one story arc with another. They merely switch the story arcs around (like, Endless Eight after Disappearance).

[X207]

Originally Posted by Mirrinus

The novels technically aren't in chronological order, but they're a lot less confusing than the anime. If you read the novels in the order they were published, they'll make perfect sense. This is probably because unlike the anime, the novels don't interrupt one story arc with another. They merely switch the story arcs around (like, Endless Eight after Disappearance).

yup you hit right on the spot

[TigerII]

Well they are kinda in order but Kyon sometimes tells a story from a few months before the previous.

[dnab]

my take on the vol.9 split endings

Spoiler:

The critical point occurred on pg. 155, the beginning of alpha-1 line, when a mysterious and yet to be introduced girl who calls Kyon a senpai, made the call while Kyon was in his bath. As insignificant that call was at that moment, it blocked Sasaki's call which led to profound consequences (Kyon's subsequent meeting with the anti-SOS and them making the case that Sasaki would make a more stable God than Haruhi - possibly leading to the power transferral). Story wise alpha will probably be canon, but beta is more interesting in that we get to know the enemy, and Kyon is presented with another choice, much like in vol.4.

So who is this mysterious girl? An aforementioned slider? Another time traveler? A new underclass member to SOS? New enemy? Someone from the N-th SOS Brigade? In Vol.10 will alpha and beta somehow merge into a single story line, or will some time traveling take place from end-beta to begin-alpha? Will we find out what happened at t=0 (i.e. 3~4 years ago)? There's a saying .......

vol.10 Otanoshimi

[myopius]

Hmm... from reading the one spoiler tag of wtflux's and verifying that person's identity with KR's timeline, I'm very disappointed that

Spoiler for Volume 9:

The character design for the "kidnapper lady" is so... dopey. Sorry, I just can't look at that girl and think of her as the "girl in red" who seemed a bit sinister and sort of flirted with Kyon in volume 8. I'm totally reminded of all the annoyingly possessive imouto or imouto-like characters I've seen in anime who try to act cute but just end up being selfish and disruptive, though I know there's no way Tanigawa would make a character like that... so I hope there's more uncolored illustrations around which show her without the wide open-mouth smile, or with her eyes narrowed maybe. Yep...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by myopius

Hmm... from reading the one spoiler tag of wtflux's and verifying that person's identity with KR's timeline, I'm very disappointed that

Spoiler for Volume 9:

The character design for the "kidnapper lady" is so... dopey. Sorry, I just can't look at that girl and think of her as the "girl in red" who seemed a bit sinister and sort of flirted with Kyon in volume 8. I'm totally reminded of all the annoyingly possessive imouto or imouto-like characters I've seen in anime who try to act cute but just end up being selfish and disruptive, though I know there's no way Tanigawa would make a character like that... so I hope there's more uncolored illustrations around which show her without the wide open-mouth smile, or with her eyes narrowed maybe. Yep...

Do remember, she is an Esper just like Itsuki.
And what do we know about Itsuki? A smiling yes-man who goes with the flow and has no opinions of his own, or isn't he?

The Espers are a devious lot who never ever show their true selves. The girl should be no exception.

[Kulkillian]

Originally Posted by dnab

my take on the vol.9 split endings

So who is this mysterious girl?

Spoiler:

The critical point occurred on pg. 155, the beginning of alpha-1 line, when a mysterious and yet to be introduced girl who calls Kyon a senpai, made the call while Kyon was in his bath. As insignificant that call was at that moment, it blocked Sasaki's call which led to profound consequences (Kyon's subsequent meeting with the anti-SOS and them making the case that Sasaki would make a more stable God than Haruhi - possibly leading to the power transferral). Story wise alpha will probably be canon, but beta is more interesting in that we get to know the enemy, and Kyon is presented with another choice, much like in vol.4.

So who is this mysterious girl? An aforementioned slider? Another time traveler? A new underclass member to SOS? New enemy? Someone from the N-th SOS Brigade? In Vol.10 will alpha and beta somehow merge into a single story line, or will some time traveling take place from end-beta to begin-alpha? Will we find out what happened at t=0 (i.e. 3~4 years ago)? There's a saying .......

vol.10 Otanoshimi

From what you've described, my guess is that the mysterious girl is Yoshimura Miyoko.

The big question on my mind is: Is Kyon aware of both storylines?