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There is nothing that I dislike more than someone who will blindly make a coment like "Bush is a stupid War pig!" Okay If you don't like the president tell me why, don't just make blunt comments. If you aren't educated on a topic and you make blind accusations it just makes you look stupid. If people stayed informed about current events and researched topics before they stated their opinons and voted blindly, I personally think that our country could be a better place. We need to elect people who arent just smooth talking polticans. Vote for the best person for the job, who you agree with on most issues. Also for "08" I am just saying if anyone is planning on voting for Clinton just because she is a women, don't do that unless you agree with her politically. I want to see a woman in the white house, but not one who is unfit for the job. |
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2007-04-22, 01:11 | Link #142 |
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Its actually more complicated than that (though not much). A certain percentage of people will be voting for "anyone not a Republican" whether it be Clinton, an ashtray, or whomever simply because they want to send a message to the Republicans to spend some time cleaning house of their neocons, looters, incompetent ideologues, and wingnuts. The danger of course, is that this simply puts *another* single party in charge of both Houses and the Exec branch... so you just get different brands of this sort of thing.
Wheee..... single party rule is a trainwreck without brakes because the wingnuts come out of the woodwork.
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2007-04-22, 02:31 | Link #143 | |
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Either way, I'm glad that everyone in this thread seems to be a group of thinkers.
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2007-04-22, 09:40 | Link #144 | |
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2007-04-22, 11:31 | Link #145 | |
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2007-04-22, 12:56 | Link #146 | |
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2007-04-23, 04:07 | Link #147 |
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In 1930 America had nearly no gun laws, and the murder rate was a fraction of what it is today. That's with Prohibition, Al Capone, Bugsy Siegel, and Murder Incorporated at their height.
In fact, from 1930 on, we've had progressively more gun laws, and progressively more murders. There's a better case to be made that gun laws cause more murder than that they prevent them, because at least there's corrolation, if not provable causation. Penn & Teller debunk gun control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWeTEXSV7ts |
2007-04-23, 05:10 | Link #148 | |
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A society isn't that simple.
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2007-04-23, 09:33 | Link #149 |
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The official poverty rate in 2005 was 12.6 percent, not statistically different from 2004.
in 1959 22.4 percent was the poverty rate... but 1959 was the first year the US census collected the poverty rate. http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/povdef.html (I got this info off the US census, and this is how they collect it.) During the 1930's there was a worldwide depression and many people were poor and without jobs. I am not saying that there are more crimes today than in 1930 because of looser gun control as Nergol said, however I don't think poverty rate was the factor either. |
2007-04-23, 13:21 | Link #150 | |
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So yes, absolutely you can't take data stream one and data stream two and assert cause and effect Penn and Teller do an excellent job debunking such junk thinking. If both sides would bootkick their "black'n'white world" extremists, we might get a little farther in the resolution of the mixed bag of this debate (and the larger issues that are the underlying forces in the events that start these discussions).
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And on Bush, I don't agree with many of the decisions that he has made, but I do believe that he was the better choice and has done more than John Kerry was by far.
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